Love to work at nuthin' all day...
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Well, if we're looking at the original article, that is very much saying that the people who aren't working are good-for-nothing layabouts who need to go to church and pull themselves together. And they're not even classed as unemployed!
I keep talking about how to count, and you keep bringing value judgments in as if they're some necessary condition of arithmetic. I don't get it.
Maybe it would be better to focus on the 'employed' statistics as a proportion or function of the population as a whole. This does away with worrying about who is unemployed, and who is a stay-at-home mother, who is retired, who is a student, and who is a lazy, scrounging worthless social parasite.
I think we need to do both. Me personally, I hope we can somehow distinguish between wastes of space and stay-at-home moms because quite obviously they aren't the same in terms of the importance of what they do.
But both might have the same level of earned income at the end of the year. I don't understand what's so hard about that. Your worth isn't tied to what you make and it's like you're insisting it is.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Love to work at nuthin' all day...:
I keep talking about how to count, and you keep bringing value judgments in as if they're some necessary condition of arithmetic. I don't get it.
I'm actually talking about terminology rather than value judgements. Most people probably think of 'unemployed' as being out of work and nominally trying to find a job, rather than not being paid. You don't, but then again you've got a degree in poetry.
So retired people aren't unemployed. Including retirees in the unemployment statistics isn't something anybody does.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Love to work at nuthin' all day...:
I keep talking about how to count, and you keep bringing value judgments in as if they're some necessary condition of arithmetic. I don't get it.
I'm actually talking about terminology rather than value judgements. Most people probably think of 'unemployed' as being out of work and nominally trying to find a job, rather than not being paid. You don't, but then again you've got a degree in poetry.
So retired people aren't unemployed. Including retirees in the unemployment statistics isn't something anybody does.
Retirees living off investment savings, pensioners and people receiving disability benefits should not be classified as unemployed. Nor should stay at home parents whose spouse is the primary earner in the household.
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@Copper said in Love to work at nuthin' all day...:
Is Doctor Jill Biden unemployed?
Dr. Jill Biden is gainfully employed:
[Dr. Jill] Biden continues to teach English and writing at Northern Virginia Community College …
Dr. Jill Biden is widely recognized as the first American First Lady who continues to work in her old job after becoming the First Lady.
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Is 'Influencer' a job?
How about 'asshole'?
Actually, that's probably more of a calling.
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If Donald Rumsfeld was still with us, he would probably draw a distinction between 'employed unemployed' people, and 'unemployed unemployed' people, by which we could determined something or other that was vital to something or other.
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Since I think that the "baseline" in the US is always have the definition as is current, makes sense to keep it.
Not sure if changing the number would do anything when the reality does not change.
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Since I think that the "baseline" in the US is always have the definition as is current, makes sense to keep it.
Not sure if changing the number would do anything when the reality does not change.
@taiwan_girl said in Love to work at nuthin' all day...:
Since I think that the "baseline" in the US is always have the definition as is current, makes sense to keep it.
Not sure if changing the number would do anything when the reality does not change.
Perception changes everything.
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First time it changes, sure, there would be some hand waving, etc.
After that becomes the new baseline however, business as usual.
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First time it changes, sure, there would be some hand waving, etc.
After that becomes the new baseline however, business as usual.
@taiwan_girl said in Love to work at nuthin' all day...:
hand waving
You mean significant job losses.
