Trump & Immigration

[Jolly]

Trump has lost some cases, but he has won some, too. The MSM always ballyhooed the losses, never the wins.

Would y'all say 50/50 about now?

[Mik]

About.

[xenon]

I really don’t understand the border issue.

I remember a talk between Ezra Klein and Andrew Sullivan.

Klein is super lefty (vox guy) - but even he understood that the border needs to be controlled. If for nothing else but protecting safety net spending.

There seems to be a basic compromise here somewhere - but as Mik says in another thread - there’s been no real movement here for decades now.

Seems a dumb position for Democrats to hold out on. It was half of Trump’s appeal in the first election.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Trump & Immigration:

I really don’t understand the border issue.

I remember a talk between Ezra Klein and Andrew Sullivan.

Klein is super lefty (vox guy) - but even he understood that the border needs to be controlled. If for nothing else but protecting safety net spending.

There seems to be a basic compromise here somewhere - but as Mik says in another thread - there’s been no real movement here for decades now.

Seems a dumb position for Democrats to hold out on. It was half of Trump’s appeal in the first election.

The Dems hold out on it, because immigrants, legal or illegal, tend to vote Democrat.

[xenon]

@Jolly said in Trump & Immigration:

@xenon said in Trump & Immigration:

I really don’t understand the border issue.

I remember a talk between Ezra Klein and Andrew Sullivan.

Klein is super lefty (vox guy) - but even he understood that the border needs to be controlled. If for nothing else but protecting safety net spending.

There seems to be a basic compromise here somewhere - but as Mik says in another thread - there’s been no real movement here for decades now.

Seems a dumb position for Democrats to hold out on. It was half of Trump’s appeal in the first election.

The Dems hold out on it, because immigrants, legal or illegal, tend to vote Democrat.

That’s a pretty cynical take and would require unspoken coordination across Dems.

I think the simpler explanation is that they’re playing by the old playbook of winning Latinos (which is where the traditional Repubs thought they needed to pivot in 2016). Remember Jeb’s guacamole?

I think the current reality is that they’re losing more regular middle class white votes than they’re gaining across Latinos by being pro-easy-immigration. I think many Latinos who are here and vote probably want border control too.