It's official
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wrote on 13 Dec 2022, 13:26 last edited by
Note she didn’t complain that it was rigged.
But imagine if it was 500 votes the other way…
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wrote on 13 Dec 2022, 16:35 last edited by
Could care less.
I think the Twitter stuff and the Biden laptop coverup has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2020 election was rigged.
Today...
The only GOP candidate that is complaining of election fraud is Lake...and while it may or may not be fraud, she does have grounds to bitch.
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Could care less.
I think the Twitter stuff and the Biden laptop coverup has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2020 election was rigged.
Today...
The only GOP candidate that is complaining of election fraud is Lake...and while it may or may not be fraud, she does have grounds to bitch.
wrote on 13 Dec 2022, 17:23 last edited byThat’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
The questionable provenance and lack of chain of custody meant it was never going to matter that much. Hell, both Fox News and the WSJ turned the story down which is why Giuliani ended up going to the post. Even there, at least two of the authors of the story refused to have their name printed on it.
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Note she didn’t complain that it was rigged.
But imagine if it was 500 votes the other way…
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That’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
The questionable provenance and lack of chain of custody meant it was never going to matter that much. Hell, both Fox News and the WSJ turned the story down which is why Giuliani ended up going to the post. Even there, at least two of the authors of the story refused to have their name printed on it.
wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 15:26 last edited by@jon-nyc said in It's official:
That’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
I have to agree. I saw a statistic that in the US, there are about 36 million daily twitter users, about 10% of the US population. I am sure that the % of the voting population is even less.
The % of people that followed the newspaper that was "banned" is way way less
From that small amount, the people who make their political decisions based on twitter statements from that newspaper are way way way less.
I would say that it had about a 0% impact on the election.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 15:49 last edited by
Darling, you're so full of shit, your eyes are brown.
News percolates. It used to start in one paper and spread to others through the news wire. Nowadays, stuff starts on Twitter, FaceyPage, etc. and then gets picked up by MSM and flung everywhere...Or, a story appears in the NYT and MSM being what it is, parrots it across all of their platforms.
That's why if you can kill a story at the source point, you can kill the story.
I promise you, if the MSM had gone full bore with the Hunter fiasco a couple of weeks before the election, the man in the Oval Office today would most likely be Donald J. Trump.
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@jon-nyc said in It's official:
That’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
I have to agree. I saw a statistic that in the US, there are about 36 million daily twitter users, about 10% of the US population. I am sure that the % of the voting population is even less.
The % of people that followed the newspaper that was "banned" is way way less
From that small amount, the people who make their political decisions based on twitter statements from that newspaper are way way way less.
I would say that it had about a 0% impact on the election.
wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 15:49 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
@jon-nyc said in It's official:
That’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
I have to agree. I saw a statistic that in the US, there are about 36 million daily twitter users, about 10% of the US population. I am sure that the % of the voting population is even less.
The % of people that followed the newspaper that was "banned" is way way less
From that small amount, the people who make their political decisions based on twitter statements from that newspaper are way way way less.
I would say that it had about a 0% impact on the election.
Your point is a good one. However, the coverage of that story in OTHER media, ie, the NYT, WaPo, and televised media was, shall we say, lacking.
Imagine if this story had been the lead on NBC Nightly News, or on the front page of the LA Times.
And now, almost two years later, CBS and others, come to the realization that it's real, and it's spectacular.
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
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@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
@jon-nyc said in It's official:
That’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
I have to agree. I saw a statistic that in the US, there are about 36 million daily twitter users, about 10% of the US population. I am sure that the % of the voting population is even less.
The % of people that followed the newspaper that was "banned" is way way less
From that small amount, the people who make their political decisions based on twitter statements from that newspaper are way way way less.
I would say that it had about a 0% impact on the election.
Your point is a good one. However, the coverage of that story in OTHER media, ie, the NYT, WaPo, and televised media was, shall we say, lacking.
Imagine if this story had been the lead on NBC Nightly News, or on the front page of the LA Times.
And now, almost two years later, CBS and others, come to the realization that it's real, and it's spectacular.
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 16:25 last edited by@George-K said in It's official:
traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
Tucker will explain:
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Could care less.
I think the Twitter stuff and the Biden laptop coverup has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2020 election was rigged.
Today...
The only GOP candidate that is complaining of election fraud is Lake...and while it may or may not be fraud, she does have grounds to bitch.
wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 17:29 last edited byI think the Twitter stuff and the Biden laptop coverup has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2020 election was rigged.
Perhaps you think that if you and others keep saying it often enough it will magically become true.
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I think the Twitter stuff and the Biden laptop coverup has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2020 election was rigged.
Perhaps you think that if you and others keep saying it often enough it will magically become true.
wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 17:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Renauda said in It's official:
I think the Twitter stuff and the Biden laptop coverup has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2020 election was rigged.
Perhaps you think that if you and others keep saying it often enough it will magically become true.
We're talking about people who DJT presumably believes are willing to spend $100 buying borderline homo-erotic trading cards featuring His Magnificence. They probably don't take much convincing.
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wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 18:15 last edited by
The last joke is mighty limp. But then again, you're used to that, aren't you?
No, there are multiple ways to rig an election. Outright fraud is one. Another is absolutely controlling the flow of information.
It was rigged, lad. The outcome was preordained as much as possible, from buying votes with Zuckerbucks to covering the Biden laptop story with a pillow.
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The last joke is mighty limp. But then again, you're used to that, aren't you?
No, there are multiple ways to rig an election. Outright fraud is one. Another is absolutely controlling the flow of information.
It was rigged, lad. The outcome was preordained as much as possible, from buying votes with Zuckerbucks to covering the Biden laptop story with a pillow.
wrote on 15 Dec 2022, 18:55 last edited by@Jolly said in It's official:
The last joke is mighty limp. But then again, you're used to that, aren't you?
No, there are multiple ways to rig an election. Outright fraud is one. Another is absolutely controlling the flow of information.
It was rigged, lad. The outcome was preordained as much as possible, from buying votes with Zuckerbucks to covering the Biden laptop story with a pillow.
Also, by having the Republicans select Trump. I bet that cost the Dems a bloody fortune.
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@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
@jon-nyc said in It's official:
That’s ridiculous. As I mentioned in the other thread the story was banned for about 36hours which probably had (if anything) an amplification effect on net.
I have to agree. I saw a statistic that in the US, there are about 36 million daily twitter users, about 10% of the US population. I am sure that the % of the voting population is even less.
The % of people that followed the newspaper that was "banned" is way way less
From that small amount, the people who make their political decisions based on twitter statements from that newspaper are way way way less.
I would say that it had about a 0% impact on the election.
Your point is a good one. However, the coverage of that story in OTHER media, ie, the NYT, WaPo, and televised media was, shall we say, lacking.
Imagine if this story had been the lead on NBC Nightly News, or on the front page of the LA Times.
And now, almost two years later, CBS and others, come to the realization that it's real, and it's spectacular.
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 03:14 last edited by@George-K said in It's official:
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
Should the "sins" of the children be given to the parents? (Not sure I am saying that right but hopefully you get the idea.)
For me, I DONT care if he lied on his firearm application or broke firearm laws.
(Well, I do care, but not any more than I would on any firearm violation law from any person.)
If I have a friend, and their son/daughter gets drunk driving, does that make me look less upon the parents? No, unless somehow they caused it to happen.
If it be proved that President Biden did things because of his sons influence, then yes, it is a very big deal.
Presdient Trump son in law started a equity fund. Not his area of expertise I do not believe. Surprise, it raised USD$3billion dollars from international investors (Saudi government, etc). Do you think those investors invested based on Jared Kushner past experience with equity funds (which is basically zero)? If President Trump is reelected in 2024, do these international investors hope for something in return? Maybe
I am guessing they were looking for influence. Did President Biden son get his foreign jobs because of his experience? Absolutely not! Why did he get those jobs? The foreign companies were hoping for some influence.
The question is whether President Biden acted on it. Definitely should be investigated.
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@George-K said in It's official:
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
Should the "sins" of the children be given to the parents? (Not sure I am saying that right but hopefully you get the idea.)
For me, I DONT care if he lied on his firearm application or broke firearm laws.
(Well, I do care, but not any more than I would on any firearm violation law from any person.)
If I have a friend, and their son/daughter gets drunk driving, does that make me look less upon the parents? No, unless somehow they caused it to happen.
If it be proved that President Biden did things because of his sons influence, then yes, it is a very big deal.
Presdient Trump son in law started a equity fund. Not his area of expertise I do not believe. Surprise, it raised USD$3billion dollars from international investors (Saudi government, etc). Do you think those investors invested based on Jared Kushner past experience with equity funds (which is basically zero)? If President Trump is reelected in 2024, do these international investors hope for something in return? Maybe
I am guessing they were looking for influence. Did President Biden son get his foreign jobs because of his experience? Absolutely not! Why did he get those jobs? The foreign companies were hoping for some influence.
The question is whether President Biden acted on it. Definitely should be investigated.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 12:52 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
For me, I DONT care if he lied on his firearm application or broke firearm laws.
"I don't care if the person down the street does a hit-and-run. or breaks into the house next door." If you don't care about laws being broken, we are in a very sorry place.
If I have a friend, and their son/daughter gets drunk driving, does that make me look less upon the parents? No, unless somehow they caused it to happen.
That's right. Sins of the son should not reflect on the father, unless, somehow, those sins are forgiven because of influence. Ask yourself some simple questions:
- Why, when the firearm was disposed of, did the Secret Service get involved? Would I get that kind of treatment?
- Lying on a firearm application is a felony. Why was it ignored? Because someone didn't care?
. Do you think those investors invested based on Jared Kushner past experience with equity funds (which is basically zero)?
Nope. And there were so many people screaming for investigations. They're silent now.
Definitely should be investigated.
All I am asking for is equal justice for everyone.
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@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
For me, I DONT care if he lied on his firearm application or broke firearm laws.
"I don't care if the person down the street does a hit-and-run. or breaks into the house next door." If you don't care about laws being broken, we are in a very sorry place.
If I have a friend, and their son/daughter gets drunk driving, does that make me look less upon the parents? No, unless somehow they caused it to happen.
That's right. Sins of the son should not reflect on the father, unless, somehow, those sins are forgiven because of influence. Ask yourself some simple questions:
- Why, when the firearm was disposed of, did the Secret Service get involved? Would I get that kind of treatment?
- Lying on a firearm application is a felony. Why was it ignored? Because someone didn't care?
. Do you think those investors invested based on Jared Kushner past experience with equity funds (which is basically zero)?
Nope. And there were so many people screaming for investigations. They're silent now.
Definitely should be investigated.
All I am asking for is equal justice for everyone.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 13:27 last edited by@George-K said in It's official:
Why, when the firearm was disposed of, did the Secret Service get involved? Would I get that kind of treatment?
For almost 20 years, I was a FFL holder. Sold guns and did a good bit of custom reloading. I've been contacted more than once about a firearm I had sold that had been involved in a crime. In both cases, it was by the BATF.
What happens, is that if law enforcement wants it, they can contact the manufacturer for records of who they wholesaled the gun to...Then the wholesaler gets contacted...Then the seller (me) gets contacted. At that point, I check my Acquisition and Dispensation Log, which contains the buyer's name and address, date of purchase and my serial number for my 4473. Then I pull my Form 4473 and that gets faxed to the Batmen, who relay that info to local law enforcement. Maybe local law enforcement could request the sales info, but I never had that happen.
Never heard of the Secret Service requesting that info from anybody. Perhaps there is a rare case where it happens, but I don't know about it.
What's worse, the Secret Service in Hunter Biden's case requested the original 4473 from the FFL. THIS IS NOT DONE AND IS PROBABLY ILLEGAL. If that 4473 gets "lost", there is no other form where the buyer affirms he is not an addict, felon or even convicted of a misdemeanor of domestic violence.
The law states that a FFL must retain all of his records, both A&D logs and FFLs, until his business is no more...At that point, all records must be given to BATF.
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@George-K said in It's official:
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
Should the "sins" of the children be given to the parents? (Not sure I am saying that right but hopefully you get the idea.)
For me, I DONT care if he lied on his firearm application or broke firearm laws.
(Well, I do care, but not any more than I would on any firearm violation law from any person.)
If I have a friend, and their son/daughter gets drunk driving, does that make me look less upon the parents? No, unless somehow they caused it to happen.
If it be proved that President Biden did things because of his sons influence, then yes, it is a very big deal.
Presdient Trump son in law started a equity fund. Not his area of expertise I do not believe. Surprise, it raised USD$3billion dollars from international investors (Saudi government, etc). Do you think those investors invested based on Jared Kushner past experience with equity funds (which is basically zero)? If President Trump is reelected in 2024, do these international investors hope for something in return? Maybe
I am guessing they were looking for influence. Did President Biden son get his foreign jobs because of his experience? Absolutely not! Why did he get those jobs? The foreign companies were hoping for some influence.
The question is whether President Biden acted on it. Definitely should be investigated.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 13:59 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
@George-K said in It's official:
And. for the record, I don't care if Hunter is a crack-head, whoring asshole. I DO care if he broke firearm laws, lied on a firearm application, and, of course, traded his influence with the "Big Guy" for financial gain.
Should the "sins" of the children be given to the parents? (Not sure I am saying that right but hopefully you get the idea.)
For me, I DONT care if he lied on his firearm application or broke firearm laws.
(Well, I do care, but not any more than I would on any firearm violation law from any person.)
If I have a friend, and their son/daughter gets drunk driving, does that make me look less upon the parents? No, unless somehow they caused it to happen.
What if the father is also the Chief of Police and the charges suddenly disappear? Does that change your opinion of the parents? What about if this also turns out to be a continual cycle of behavior? Does that change your opinion?
If it be proved that President Biden did things because of his sons influence, then yes, it is a very big deal.
Presdient Trump son in law started a equity fund. Not his area of expertise I do not believe. Surprise, it raised USD$3billion dollars from international investors (Saudi government, etc). Do you think those investors invested based on Jared Kushner past experience with equity funds (which is basically zero)? If President Trump is reelected in 2024, do these international investors hope for something in return? Maybe
Actually, it’s not too far out of his area of expertise. In fact, it was a large part of his education. In addition, many of the people working for his Real Estate company came from that industry. It’s not really that big of a jump. It’s not like he suddenly started selling paintings at $400,000 a pop…
Now, add on that he started the firm AFTER Trump left office. Yes, there could and likely is some influence peddling there, but there is still a huge difference between influence peddling while in office vs out…
I am guessing they were looking for influence. Did President Biden son get his foreign jobs because of his experience? Absolutely not! Why did he get those jobs? The foreign companies were hoping for some influence.
The question is whether President Biden acted on it. Definitely should be investigated.
The question is also about what steps VP Biden took while in office…
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wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 19:49 last edited by taiwan_girl
I do care that he lied on his firearm application. What I meant is that there are probably 100's (1000's) of people that do also, maybe even people in your hometown.. I do care that it happens and am sad that it happens, but if (and I know it is a big IF) it was done by himself and involved only him, then no, then I will let the authorities do their job.
@LuFins-Dad I agree with everything you said.
I agree that if there was a coverup, if President Biden was involved, either directly or indirectly, there should be consequences.
If the son did this, and President Biden had no knowledge or influence on this, it should be handled like the other 100's of people that do this. Though this means that if others assisted him, or covered up for him, they should be punished.
I guess my point was that simply because he is the son of the president, it does not mean that President Biden is guilty also. No "guilt by association" should not happen.
When there was a "scandal" about President Trump's companies hiring and using illegal aliens to work for them, I said at that time that it does not make President Trump guilty of anything.
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I do care that he lied on his firearm application. What I meant is that there are probably 100's (1000's) of people that do also, maybe even people in your hometown.. I do care that it happens and am sad that it happens, but if (and I know it is a big IF) it was done by himself and involved only him, then no, then I will let the authorities do their job.
@LuFins-Dad I agree with everything you said.
I agree that if there was a coverup, if President Biden was involved, either directly or indirectly, there should be consequences.
If the son did this, and President Biden had no knowledge or influence on this, it should be handled like the other 100's of people that do this. Though this means that if others assisted him, or covered up for him, they should be punished.
I guess my point was that simply because he is the son of the president, it does not mean that President Biden is guilty also. No "guilt by association" should not happen.
When there was a "scandal" about President Trump's companies hiring and using illegal aliens to work for them, I said at that time that it does not make President Trump guilty of anything.
wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 22:00 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in It's official:
I do care that he lied on his firearm application. What I meant is that there are probably 100's (1000's) of people that do also, maybe even people in your hometown.. I do care that it happens and am sad that it happens, but if (and I know it is a big IF) it was done by himself and involved only him, then no, then I will let the authorities do their job.
@LuFins-Dad I agree with everything you said.
I agree that if there was a coverup, if President Biden was involved, either directly or indirectly, there should be consequences.
If the son did this, and President Biden had no knowledge or influence on this, it should be handled like the other 100's of people that do this. Though this means that if others assisted him, or covered up for him, they should be punished.
I guess my point was that simply because he is the son of the president, it does not mean that President Biden is guilty also. No "guilt by association" should not happen.
When there was a "scandal" about President Trump's companies hiring and using illegal aliens to work for them, I said at that time that it does not make President Trump guilty of anything.
Lying on a 4473 usually doesn't get you prosecuted on that alone. What usually happens, is that if another crime is committed (domestic violence, armed robbery, etc.) they'll tack that Federal charge on for the cherry on top. That's a maximum of ten years in Federal prison.
Did Hunter commit any other crimes? You betchya, even if it's nothing but hiring hookers and buying blow. If he wasn't the son of the Resident, a good DA would have him dead in the water.
So, we can start from the point that he's guilty, it's just how many things he's guilty of. The influence peddling would be the big one. That one needs to be shook out. If that was Trump's son, there would have already been a Special Counsel.
