Universal Suffrage
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He's got a point.
The Founders were not necessarily in favor of universal suffrage for various reasons. Also, much of the reason behind public education, is that a republic cannot be successful if its citizens are ignorant and uneducated.
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
He's got a point.
The Founders were not necessarily in favor of universal suffrage for various reasons. Also, much of the reason behind public education, is that a republic cannot be successful if its citizens are ignorant and uneducated.
Wasn't it you who pointed out that they thought the right to suffrage should be linked to property ownership?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
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@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Please love yourself.
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@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
He's got a point.
The Founders were not necessarily in favor of universal suffrage for various reasons. Also, much of the reason behind public education, is that a republic cannot be successful if its citizens are ignorant and uneducated.
Wasn't it you who pointed out that they thought the right to suffrage should be linked to property ownership?
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
He's got a point.
The Founders were not necessarily in favor of universal suffrage for various reasons. Also, much of the reason behind public education, is that a republic cannot be successful if its citizens are ignorant and uneducated.
Wasn't it you who pointed out that they thought the right to suffrage should be linked to property ownership?
Yep, I've pointed out that one before. It was done in the early days of the country. Especially in relationship to property taxes.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Horace said in Universal Suffrage:
I'm of two minds about beheadings. Which is a good thing, because then I'll have a spare.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Please love yourself.
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@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” ~ Napoleon
Perhaps that is what Jolly has in mind to put back into the mix to deter or, at the very least, minimize the beheadings.
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I think effective suffrage should reflect some basic concepts..
- If you can't read and write at a very basic level, you should not be allowed to vote. If you are mentally incompetent, you should not be allowed to vote.
- You must have established residency in your state for at least 12 months before being allowed to vote in local and state elections.
- There is no couch potato vote. Mail-in voting should be abolished, except for the military and the State Department. Early or absentee voting is fine, at designated, monitored locations within a county.
- Voter rolls must be examined and purged after ever census.
- I think ranked choice voting is an abomination. There are other mechanisms, if a state wishes to exclude the far left and the far right.
- The first Tuesday every November should be a national holiday. Even if there are no Federal elections, there is almost always other ballot issues to be voted on.
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@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Wrong.
The solution is opportunity. This nation has it in spades. It should be preached, proselytized and protected. The reason societies boil over is because there is no hope.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Wrong.
The solution is opportunity. This nation has it in spades. It should be preached, proselytized and protected. The reason societies boil over is because there is no hope.
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Wrong.
The solution is opportunity.
Okay, tell me if income inequality has gone up or down in the past 300 years. Then we'll come back to this.
No society has ever, ever solved the Matthew principle. Aside from insurrection.
And you're wrong about why societies boil over. It's income inequality. Show me the numbers. Find me a stronger social correlation than what exists between income inequality and violent crime.
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@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Wrong.
The solution is opportunity.
Okay, tell me if income inequality has gone up or down in the past 300 years. Then we'll come back to this.
No society has ever, ever solved the Matthew principle. Aside from insurrection.
And you're wrong about why societies boil over. It's income inequality. Show me the numbers. Find me a stronger social correlation than what exists between income inequality and violent crime.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Wrong.
The solution is opportunity.
Okay, tell me if income inequality has gone up or down in the past 300 years. Then we'll come back to this.
No society has ever, ever solved the Matthew principle. Aside from insurrection.
Compare income inequality with actual poverty rates...
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And while the middle class has shrunk over the last 50 years, more have moved into the upper class than the lower class.
And finally, poverty doesn't mean what it used to mean in the US.
I generally don't think people are as worried about how much other people are making so long as they are doing okay. And more people are doing okay than any other time...
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Jolly said in Universal Suffrage:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Universal Suffrage:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Universal Suffrage:
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
All those poor unfortunate wealthy folk, and their total lack of additional political influence compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of uneducated, there's no stronger social causative relationship than that of income inequality and violent crime. And here we are, saying those damned unlanded miscreants shouldn't have a voice. We've already played this out in other places, bro. Taking more agency away from the lower classes to bolster the upper classes leads to beheadings, every time.
But hey you want that, be my guest.
Most poor people in this country are rich by many international standards.
Classic conservative argument. I'm sure explaining that to them will go ahead and fix things.
In all of human history we've never, ever figured this out. Most societies don't even stick around long enough to give it a go. But ours is, and we're going to have to deal with it very, very soon.
Your solution has been tried many times and always leads to rolling heads. The liberal solution sucks, too, so my money's on we flip the board over again.
Wrong.
The solution is opportunity.
Okay, tell me if income inequality has gone up or down in the past 300 years. Then we'll come back to this.
No society has ever, ever solved the Matthew principle. Aside from insurrection.
Compare income inequality with actual poverty rates...
And while the middle class has shrunk over the last 50 years, more have moved into the upper class than the lower class.
And finally, poverty doesn't mean what it used to mean in the US.
I generally don't think people are as worried about how much other people are making so long as they are doing okay. And more people are doing okay than any other time...
@LuFins-Dad said in Universal Suffrage:
poverty doesn't mean what it used to mean in the US.
Does "middle class?"
In 1971, did middle class mean owning 2 cars, owning your home, etc?
I don't know, just asking.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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There's no plausible end game for a peasant uprising these days. Riots and looting are as close as we'll get.
And that chart from Pew which states "middle class has decreased considerably" ignores that the upper income has increased by 33% and the lower has increased by only about 10%.
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There's no plausible end game for a peasant uprising these days. Riots and looting are as close as we'll get.
And that chart from Pew which states "middle class has decreased considerably" ignores that the upper income has increased by 33% and the lower has increased by only about 10%.
@Horace said in Universal Suffrage:
There's no plausible end game for a peasant uprising these days. Riots and looting are as close as we'll get.
And that chart from Pew which states "middle class has decreased considerably" ignores that the upper income has increased by 33% and the lower has increased by only about 10%.
No, that chart specifically states that the Upper Class has grown at a higher rate than the Lower Class. It's kinda why I used it... It doesn't state the percentage of increase, but you can clearly see it.
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@Horace said in Universal Suffrage:
There's no plausible end game for a peasant uprising these days. Riots and looting are as close as we'll get.
And that chart from Pew which states "middle class has decreased considerably" ignores that the upper income has increased by 33% and the lower has increased by only about 10%.
No, that chart specifically states that the Upper Class has grown at a higher rate than the Lower Class. It's kinda why I used it... It doesn't state the percentage of increase, but you can clearly see it.
@LuFins-Dad said in Universal Suffrage:
@Horace said in Universal Suffrage:
There's no plausible end game for a peasant uprising these days. Riots and looting are as close as we'll get.
And that chart from Pew which states "middle class has decreased considerably" ignores that the upper income has increased by 33% and the lower has increased by only about 10%.
No, that chart specifically states that the Upper Class has grown at a higher rate than the Lower Class. It's kinda why I used it... It doesn't state the percentage of increase, but you can clearly see it.
I can only imagine that second paragraph in my post was added inadvertently by Jon as a mod. I didn’t write it.
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Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
It might be amusing to debate whether the massive increase in the number of lawyers in the US has led to a net societal benefit or not, and whether lawyers should be given universal suffrage or possibly suffering.
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Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
@George-K said in Universal Suffrage:
Saw this posted by an attorney:
"The notion of universal suffrage is inherently defective.
Giving a degenerate drug addict dependent on societal largess the same vote as the person who builds a business that employs thousands of people is logically AND morally insensible."
I don’t think Hunter Biden’s vote should count as much either, but whatcha going to do?
