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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    He's got a point. Patients should know the price of a procedure or test, before it's done.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/12/05/when-no-one-really-knows-what-health-care-will-cost-prices-skyrocket/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      #2

      There would have to be a monetary incentive to keep the price down.

      But the incentive to get healthcare, for most people, is health.

      Good care, good price, pick one.

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      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Doctor Phibes
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        #3

        That story with the MRI happened to us too - my father in law was visiting from the UK and had back problems. The doctor suggested an MRI, and gave a cost estimate, which was about a quarter of what was billed. He seemed to have absolutely no idea of what this procedure he was recommending was going to cost. At the time, it was a concern, since we weren't sure whether travel insurance would cover it. Thankfully, it did.

        I was only joking

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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by Horace
          #4

          As an appreciator of the beauty of free market mechanisms, that is one of the reasons I've always looked sideways at the notion that we have a free market health care system.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by Jolly
            #5

            We don't.

            I don't do billable charges anymore, but I glanced at the rough billing Sunday in the lab. 80053 (The old CPT 80016 for me and Mik) was gross billed at almost $250.

            I don't have the Medicare rate schedule anymore, but I bet the Feds ain't paying over $15-$16 for that one, along with somewhere around a $10 venipuncture charge.

            Private insurance will pay more, but not full boat. Lord help you if you're a cash customer.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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              taiwan_girl
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              #6

              I really dont understand why US healthcare is so expensive.

              Medical tourism is a big thing in Asia (Thailand, Singapore, etc.)

              A lot of non-emergency situations can be 3-10 times cheaper than the US.

              Equipment is the same, most of the doctors catering to foreign medical tourists are Western trained.

              It cant only be labour costs I dont think?

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                xenon
                wrote on last edited by xenon
                #7

                There’s no cost control mechanism.

                Insurance providers compete on providing all you can eat plans that only really vary by co-pay and maximum spend terms.

                Doctors don’t really know what their procedures cost - they generally just choose high efficacy options.

                I’m over simplifying- but if procedure A costs $100k and has 95% efficacy and procedure B costs $20k with 90% efficacy - no one is really making an effective trade off as to which should be used.

                It’s gold plated care if you’re insured - or the bare basics.

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