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    Jolly
    wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 03:45 last edited by
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    https://apnews.com/da3c08790765a57a4dc6a258d252acef

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 03:50 last edited by
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      That's nice.
      How's that going to be different from prevailing practice?

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        Horace
        wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 03:51 last edited by
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        Good idea. And good thought leadership.

        Education is extremely important.

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          xenon
          wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 04:23 last edited by
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          Holy moly. The department of Veteran Affairs is almost 400k people with a cost of a quarter trillion a year.

          Not commenting on if that's the right size, just a gargantuan department.

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            Rainman
            wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 07:42 last edited by
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            "The federal government is the nation’s largest employer with 2.1 million civilian workers, excluding postal service employees."

            Amazing. And I'm still put on hold until I give up and hang up.

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              26 Jun 2020, 03:50

              That's nice.
              How's that going to be different from prevailing practice?

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              Jolly
              wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 10:48 last edited by
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              @Axtremus said in Skills:

              That's nice.
              How's that going to be different from prevailing practice?

              Do a bit of research on the Federal hiring process. I'll give you a starting point:

              https://www.usajobs.gov

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Copper
                wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 15:03 last edited by
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                federal hiring to focus on skills over degrees

                That is a nice poke at colleges and universities.

                Make them, and their TDS ideas, obsolete

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                • C Copper
                  26 Jun 2020, 15:03

                  federal hiring to focus on skills over degrees

                  That is a nice poke at colleges and universities.

                  Make them, and their TDS ideas, obsolete

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 15:08 last edited by
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                  @Copper said in Skills:

                  federal hiring to focus on skills over degrees

                  That is a nice poke at colleges and universities.

                  Make them, and their TDS ideas, obsolete

                  Wonder what many of those some PhD's will do, if they have to work for a living?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • H Horace
                    26 Jun 2020, 03:51

                    Good idea. And good thought leadership.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 16:50 last edited by
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                    @Horace said in Skills:

                    Good idea. And good thought leadership.

                    I agree. I think it is a good idea. Best person for the job, etc.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:03 last edited by Mik
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                      You might want a degree for an inexperienced person, but once you have had a real job your degree is nearly irrelevant.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        xenon
                        wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:06 last edited by
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                        Yeah - unless you’re in a really technical role, the highest value of a degree is a signaling mechanism.

                        You show that you can buckle down, jump through hoops and get shit down. Which is a huge part of most jobs.

                        If you can hold down a job for a few years - it tends to signal that as well.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:10 last edited by
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                          I've never understood why McDonalds and Starbucks hire so many English and history graduates. Surely they'd be better off hiring people with cooking qualifications in the case of McDonalds, and IT network skills in the case of Starbucks.

                          I was only joking

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:14 last edited by
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                            Let me 'splain something, Lucy...

                            Federal employment centers around three things, acronym KSA. The government loves acronyms. KSA stands for Knowledge, Skills and Ability. That's pretty self explanatory, although to do the grading system justice, you better list every scintilla of KSAs you have.

                            A couple of things can give you a leg up...Veteran's Preference has a positive impact on your score. That's fine by me. Another factor is education. For many jobs, education level will exclude you or it will determine which GS level you can qualify for. That's fine for things which require licensure and certification, such as a Registered Nurse, but it can be a hindrance in certain other fields. For example, I worked with a guy who had a M.S. In Administration, which allowed him to get a job managing the housekeepers and lawn crew at the local VA hospital. Didn't matter he didn't know beans about housekeeping or grounds care. The degree is what counted.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:20 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                              I'd hate to work for the government. I've worked with various departments as a consultant both in the UK and here, but didn't like the look of it at all. There were some brilliant people there, but also some real morons.

                              I'd also hate to still work for a publicly traded company. They fire people just to make the monthly numbers look good to shareholders who know nothing about the business.

                              I was only joking

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                                26 Jun 2020, 18:14

                                Let me 'splain something, Lucy...

                                Federal employment centers around three things, acronym KSA. The government loves acronyms. KSA stands for Knowledge, Skills and Ability. That's pretty self explanatory, although to do the grading system justice, you better list every scintilla of KSAs you have.

                                A couple of things can give you a leg up...Veteran's Preference has a positive impact on your score. That's fine by me. Another factor is education. For many jobs, education level will exclude you or it will determine which GS level you can qualify for. That's fine for things which require licensure and certification, such as a Registered Nurse, but it can be a hindrance in certain other fields. For example, I worked with a guy who had a M.S. In Administration, which allowed him to get a job managing the housekeepers and lawn crew at the local VA hospital. Didn't matter he didn't know beans about housekeeping or grounds care. The degree is what counted.

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                                xenon
                                wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:27 last edited by xenon
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                                @Jolly said in Skills:

                                Let me 'splain something, Lucy...

                                Federal employment centers around three things, acronym KSA. The government loves acronyms. KSA stands for Knowledge, Skills and Ability. That's pretty self explanatory, although to do the grading system justice, you better list every scintilla of KSAs you have.

                                A couple of things can give you a leg up...Veteran's Preference has a positive impact on your score. That's fine by me. Another factor is education. For many jobs, education level will exclude you or it will determine which GS level you can qualify for. That's fine for things which require licensure and certification, such as a Registered Nurse, but it can be a hindrance in certain other fields. For example, I worked with a guy who had a M.S. In Administration, which allowed him to get a job managing the housekeepers and lawn crew at the local VA hospital. Didn't matter he didn't know beans about housekeeping or grounds care. The degree is what counted.

                                That resonates. When I went through my green card process - there was a crazy precise legalistic inventory of the specific things I do at my job and specific degree requirements. It's a level of precision that's foreign to most people in the private sector - and I do a ton of very intense recruiting and hiring activities.

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 20:50 last edited by
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                                  In practice:

                                  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/statisticians-join-criticism-census-bureau-hires-71481437

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 23:11 last edited by
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                                    Fake news.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on 27 Jun 2020, 01:12 last edited by
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                                      Hey Ax, should I have continued to read after:

                                      "Cogley, a political science professor at Tarleton State University in Stephenville, Texas, who wrote a series of opinion pieces against the impeachment of President Donald Trump, was named a deputy director for policy. Korzeniewski, a former campaign consultant to the pro-Trump..."
                                      ?

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