Not bad, Tesla
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@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming.
Biggest city in Wyoming is somewhere in the 55k range. A couple of other small cities and then a whole lot of nothing, except for some ranches and pretty small towns.
Like West Texas, I don't see electric vehicles working here. Not even the semis.
Delivery trucks in urban areas, day-haul big rigs in more populated areas...Yep, if diesel is high enough and electricity cheap enough, it makes sense.
But are auto-makers going to build a business model based on sales in Wyoming?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Not bad, Tesla:
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming.
Biggest city in Wyoming is somewhere in the 55k range. A couple of other small cities and then a whole lot of nothing, except for some ranches and pretty small towns.
Like West Texas, I don't see electric vehicles working here. Not even the semis.
Delivery trucks in urban areas, day-haul big rigs in more populated areas...Yep, if diesel is high enough and electricity cheap enough, it makes sense.
But are auto-makers going to build a business model based on sales in Wyoming?
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas. These are places (and others like them) where EVs just don't make sense. And I don't know if they'll ever become populated enough to support a sufficient grid to power the needed vehicles. Or if EVs will ever have sufficient range to overcome the distance problem.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Not bad, Tesla:
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming.
Biggest city in Wyoming is somewhere in the 55k range. A couple of other small cities and then a whole lot of nothing, except for some ranches and pretty small towns.
Like West Texas, I don't see electric vehicles working here. Not even the semis.
Delivery trucks in urban areas, day-haul big rigs in more populated areas...Yep, if diesel is high enough and electricity cheap enough, it makes sense.
But are auto-makers going to build a business model based on sales in Wyoming?
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas. These are places (and others like them) where EVs just don't make sense. And I don't know if they'll ever become populated enough to support a sufficient grid to power the needed vehicles. Or if EVs will ever have sufficient range to overcome the distance problem.
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas.
See Siberia for a glimpse of the future for these places.
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@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas.
See Siberia for a glimpse of the future for these places.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Not bad, Tesla:
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming.
Biggest city in Wyoming is somewhere in the 55k range. A couple of other small cities and then a whole lot of nothing, except for some ranches and pretty small towns.
Like West Texas, I don't see electric vehicles working here. Not even the semis.
Delivery trucks in urban areas, day-haul big rigs in more populated areas...Yep, if diesel is high enough and electricity cheap enough, it makes sense.
But are auto-makers going to build a business model based on sales in Wyoming?
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas. These are places (and others like them) where EVs just don't make sense. And I don't know if they'll ever become populated enough to support a sufficient grid to power the needed vehicles. Or if EVs will ever have sufficient range to overcome the distance problem.
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Not bad, Tesla:
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming.
Biggest city in Wyoming is somewhere in the 55k range. A couple of other small cities and then a whole lot of nothing, except for some ranches and pretty small towns.
Like West Texas, I don't see electric vehicles working here. Not even the semis.
Delivery trucks in urban areas, day-haul big rigs in more populated areas...Yep, if diesel is high enough and electricity cheap enough, it makes sense.
But are auto-makers going to build a business model based on sales in Wyoming?
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas. These are places (and others like them) where EVs just don't make sense. And I don't know if they'll ever become populated enough to support a sufficient grid to power the needed vehicles. Or if EVs will ever have sufficient range to overcome the distance problem.
The distance argument is not a good one when dealing with tractor trailers. Trucks are only allowed to drive 10 hours, then must rest for 12 hours. Plenty of time to charge with a plug, let alone a Tesla charging station…Beyond that, as @jon-nyc pointed out, the logistics of installing EV stations in the more remote areas is certainly easier than the logistics of resupplying gasoline. If they can get the distance up to 700 miles between charges, they are off to a good start EXCEPT…
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there are already reliability issues with EV’s. The strain of hauling freight is even worse. Trucks are always down for repair. It will be even worse with EV’s
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The environmental impact…. Making 1 Tesla battery requires processing “25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just one battery.” Now the tractor trailer battery is 4 times the size of the standard Tesla battery so that’s 2,000,000 pounds of dirt… There are over 2,000,000 tractor trailers in the US. That’s 40000000000000000 pounds of dirt. Oh, and the batteries typically last 300,000 miles, but it’s fair to bet that these will last fewer due to the stresses in hauling freight. And since long haul truckers typically drive 125,000 miles per year, you are looking at likely replacing every 2 years… That’s just for the US.
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@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas.
See Siberia for a glimpse of the future for these places.
@Copper said in Not bad, Tesla:
@Jolly said in Not bad, Tesla:
Wyoming. Nebraska. Alaska. West Texas.
See Siberia for a glimpse of the future for these places.
So you're saying things are going to improve?
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Specifications:
- Range: over 500 miles when fully loaded, at total weight of 82,000 lbs / 37,195 kg
- Acceleration: 0-60 mph with a full load is around 20 seconds.
- Speed: Maintains highway-level speeds even up steep grades.
- Charging: 0-70% in 30 minutes
- Seating: The driver position is in the center, with two 15'' touchscreens facing the driver on each side, possible to stand up in the cabin.
- Efficiency: <2 kWh per mile officially, although Musk said separately it is currently 1.7kWh/mile, with a clear path to 1.6, possibly 1.5.
- Powertrain: 3 motors, 1000V architecture
Price: initially $150k for the 300-mile version; - $180k for the 500-mile version and $200k for Founders Series.
Charges to 70% in 30 minutes (but needs a fancy liquid-cooled cable).
Lots of interesting videos, charts at the link.
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Link to video
So the Tesla Semi has 3 motors, one does normal cruising, the other two come in for passing or tackling grade.
The one that handles cruising can keep an 82,000lb truck going at 60mph on a highway, it's more powerful than a diesel semi engine, and you can carry it in one hand. It sits on one axle and is the size of a football.
