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  • MikM Mik

    What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

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    @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

    What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

    NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

    Jacob Wallace
    Yale School of Public Health
    Department of Health Policy and Management

    Jason L. Schwartz
    Yale School of Public Health

    Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
    Yale School of Management and NBER

    Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

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      That doesn't affect my point one iota.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Horace
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        #10

        You would not need to scratch the surface of such credentialed public health academics too deeply, before you hit a clear political slant to the course of their studies. Mostly this guidance comes in the form of a mutually shared understanding of what are acceptable questions and what are acceptable answers. You literally couldn't do that job without an acceptance of those rules.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

          What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

          NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

          Jacob Wallace
          Yale School of Public Health
          Department of Health Policy and Management

          Jason L. Schwartz
          Yale School of Public Health

          Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
          Yale School of Management and NBER

          Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #11

          @Axtremus said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

          @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

          What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

          NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

          Jacob Wallace
          Yale School of Public Health
          Department of Health Policy and Management

          Jason L. Schwartz
          Yale School of Public Health

          Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
          Yale School of Management and NBER

          Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

          That still doesn’t answer Mik’s question. What type of Ghouls are Messers Wallace, Schwartz, and Goldsmith-Pinkham (guy with hyphenated last name :eyeroll:)? Their names and qualifications don’t really answer that question.

          For instance: Mik may have also asked “What type of idiot would post this study?” And I may have answered “Axtremus”, but that doesn’t address the main point of Mik’s question, what type of idiot is Axtremus? Is he an imbecile, an ignoramus, a fool, a simpleton, dullard, or nitwit? That’s what we need to find out.

          I hope that helps!

          The Brad

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            I did not need to ask the second question. The first remains valid.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Honestly such questions are well within the purview of public health.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Honestly such questions are well within the purview of public health.

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                @jon-nyc said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                Honestly such questions are well within the purview of public health.

                Yes. And so are myriad other questions that don't get asked and answered because the answers would be politically inconvenient.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Nonsense. The political affiliation of fatalities has no medical value whatsoever

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    #16

                    Public Health /= Medical.

                    Social influences on acceptance of vaccines or NPIs or any intervention is very much a worthy topic and it predates covid.

                    The public health people deal with the health of populations not individuals.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      @jon-nyc makes good points here. The study of a population, and the diseases they get versus another population is a worthwhile investigation.

                      Look at the studies comparing the entrance of hypertension and obesity in black versus non-black populations.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        The colleagues of these academics were coming out with courageous stands about the public health concerns of racism overriding the public health concerns of large BLM gatherings. That is the larger context in which all of this science is practiced, and there isn't a single person listed on that paper who wouldn't sacrifice their science to that context. As it happens, this was a paper that answered a question that they were allowed to think clearly about. Good for them.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @Axtremus said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                          @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                          What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                          NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                          Jacob Wallace
                          Yale School of Public Health
                          Department of Health Policy and Management

                          Jason L. Schwartz
                          Yale School of Public Health

                          Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                          Yale School of Management and NBER

                          Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

                          That still doesn’t answer Mik’s question. What type of Ghouls are Messers Wallace, Schwartz, and Goldsmith-Pinkham (guy with hyphenated last name :eyeroll:)? Their names and qualifications don’t really answer that question.

                          For instance: Mik may have also asked “What type of idiot would post this study?” And I may have answered “Axtremus”, but that doesn’t address the main point of Mik’s question, what type of idiot is Axtremus? Is he an imbecile, an ignoramus, a fool, a simpleton, dullard, or nitwit? That’s what we need to find out.

                          I hope that helps!

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                          @LuFins-Dad said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                          @Axtremus said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                          @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                          What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                          NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                          Jacob Wallace
                          Yale School of Public Health
                          Department of Health Policy and Management

                          Jason L. Schwartz
                          Yale School of Public Health

                          Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                          Yale School of Management and NBER

                          Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

                          That still doesn’t answer Mik’s question.

                          Sure it does. Public health researchers and economists study this type of questions. Given the names and affiliations of the authors, you can also look further into their body of work to get a better sense of what they have been studying/researching, how this work fits in the context of what they have been studying/researching, why they choose to study research this question now. (If you’re the “follow the money” type, you can lookup who may be funding/commissioning the study/research. But in this case you wouldn’t need to because the authors disclosed the source of funding right on the first page.)

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                            What might be more fun, is to follow the blacks

                            South has more. Big cities have more. Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              What might be more fun, is to follow the blacks

                              South has more. Big cities have more. Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

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                              @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                              Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

                              I believe that's been studied, and the answer is yes.

                              Why? Because diabetes, obesity, poor nutrition, education racism.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

                                I believe that's been studied, and the answer is yes.

                                Why? Because diabetes, obesity, poor nutrition, education racism.

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                                Jolly
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                                @George-K said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

                                I believe that's been studied, and the answer is yes.

                                Why? Because diabetes, obesity, poor nutrition, education racism.

                                A lot of those red states have hefty black populations. Does the mortality disparity skew results?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @George-K said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                  @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                  Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

                                  I believe that's been studied, and the answer is yes.

                                  Why? Because diabetes, obesity, poor nutrition, education racism.

                                  A lot of those red states have hefty black populations. Does the mortality disparity skew results?

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                                  @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                  A lot of those red states have hefty black populations. Does the mortality disparity skew results?

                                  No, the study looks at registered Republicans and registered Democrats as individuals, not grouping by state.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    Ok, then it's worthless.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Ok, then it's worthless.

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                                      @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                      Ok, then it's worthless.

                                      Why?

                                      I know that public health officials do a lot of work in third world countries, determining which groups are more likely to get vaccines (in these cases, stuff like polio, etc) and how it breaks down along religion, tribe, etc.

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                                        Do registered Dems vote Republican?

                                        They do down here.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Do registered Dems vote Republican?

                                          They do down here.

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          @Jolly said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                          Do registered Dems vote Republican?

                                          They do down here.

                                          Rumour has it that around here registered Republicans vote Democrat. Maybe so they can spoil the primaries....

                                          I was only joking

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