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More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30512/w30512.pdf

    Fro the abstract:

    ”… We estimate substantially higher excess death rates for registered Republicans when compared to registered Democrats, with almost all of the difference concentrated in the period after vaccines were widely available in our study states. Overall, the excess death rate for Republicans was 5.4 percentage points (pp), or 76%, higher than the excess death rate for Democrats. Post- vaccines, the excess death rate gap between Republicans and Democrats widened from 1.6 pp (22% of the Democrat excess death rate) to 10.4 pp (153% of the Democrat excess death rate). The gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available.”

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      Makes sense that those who measurably sacrifice for their principles are on the right.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Offline
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        What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          SCIENCEY!

          Did anyone bother to remind these Einsteins that Older Americans are more often registered Republicans than Democrats? And that COVID is overwhelmingly deadly to the elderly, whether they have received the Prophylactic Therapeutics or not? In fact, the majority of deaths over the last year have been among elderly that have indeed received the Pfizer and Moderna Prophylactic Therapeutics?

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            SCIENCEY!

            Did anyone bother to remind these Einsteins that Older Americans are more often registered Republicans than Democrats? And that COVID is overwhelmingly deadly to the elderly, whether they have received the Prophylactic Therapeutics or not? In fact, the majority of deaths over the last year have been among elderly that have indeed received the Pfizer and Moderna Prophylactic Therapeutics?

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            @LuFins-Dad said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

            SCIENCEY!

            Did anyone bother to remind these Einsteins that Older Americans are more often registered Republicans than Democrats? And that COVID is overwhelmingly deadly to the elderly, whether they have received the Prophylactic Therapeutics or not? In fact, the majority of deaths over the last year have been among elderly that have indeed received the Pfizer and Moderna Prophylactic Therapeutics?

            Science!

            Silence, Denier!

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              SCIENCEY!

              Did anyone bother to remind these Einsteins that Older Americans are more often registered Republicans than Democrats? And that COVID is overwhelmingly deadly to the elderly, whether they have received the Prophylactic Therapeutics or not? In fact, the majority of deaths over the last year have been among elderly that have indeed received the Pfizer and Moderna Prophylactic Therapeutics?

              jon-nycJ Offline
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              @LuFins-Dad Zero chance they didn’t control for age. Like none whatsoever

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • CopperC Offline
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                our study is based on data from the only states where we could obtain voter registration information (Florida and Ohio); hence, our results may not generalize to other states

                #7 and #20 on the old age list

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age

                ME, NH, VT, WV have the oldest mean ages, maybe the cold helps, FL comes next.

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                • MikM Mik

                  What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  #8

                  @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                  What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                  NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                  Jacob Wallace
                  Yale School of Public Health
                  Department of Health Policy and Management

                  Jason L. Schwartz
                  Yale School of Public Health

                  Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                  Yale School of Management and NBER

                  Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    That doesn't affect my point one iota.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      #10

                      You would not need to scratch the surface of such credentialed public health academics too deeply, before you hit a clear political slant to the course of their studies. Mostly this guidance comes in the form of a mutually shared understanding of what are acceptable questions and what are acceptable answers. You literally couldn't do that job without an acceptance of those rules.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                        What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                        NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                        Jacob Wallace
                        Yale School of Public Health
                        Department of Health Policy and Management

                        Jason L. Schwartz
                        Yale School of Public Health

                        Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                        Yale School of Management and NBER

                        Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        @Axtremus said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                        @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                        What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                        NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                        Jacob Wallace
                        Yale School of Public Health
                        Department of Health Policy and Management

                        Jason L. Schwartz
                        Yale School of Public Health

                        Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                        Yale School of Management and NBER

                        Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

                        That still doesn’t answer Mik’s question. What type of Ghouls are Messers Wallace, Schwartz, and Goldsmith-Pinkham (guy with hyphenated last name :eyeroll:)? Their names and qualifications don’t really answer that question.

                        For instance: Mik may have also asked “What type of idiot would post this study?” And I may have answered “Axtremus”, but that doesn’t address the main point of Mik’s question, what type of idiot is Axtremus? Is he an imbecile, an ignoramus, a fool, a simpleton, dullard, or nitwit? That’s what we need to find out.

                        I hope that helps!

                        The Brad

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          I did not need to ask the second question. The first remains valid.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Honestly such questions are well within the purview of public health.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Honestly such questions are well within the purview of public health.

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                              Horace
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                              #14

                              @jon-nyc said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                              Honestly such questions are well within the purview of public health.

                              Yes. And so are myriad other questions that don't get asked and answered because the answers would be politically inconvenient.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
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                                Nonsense. The political affiliation of fatalities has no medical value whatsoever

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #16

                                  Public Health /= Medical.

                                  Social influences on acceptance of vaccines or NPIs or any intervention is very much a worthy topic and it predates covid.

                                  The public health people deal with the health of populations not individuals.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
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                                    @jon-nyc makes good points here. The study of a population, and the diseases they get versus another population is a worthwhile investigation.

                                    Look at the studies comparing the entrance of hypertension and obesity in black versus non-black populations.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • HoraceH Offline
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                                      Horace
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                                      The colleagues of these academics were coming out with courageous stands about the public health concerns of racism overriding the public health concerns of large BLM gatherings. That is the larger context in which all of this science is practiced, and there isn't a single person listed on that paper who wouldn't sacrifice their science to that context. As it happens, this was a paper that answered a question that they were allowed to think clearly about. Good for them.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @Axtremus said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                        @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                        What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                                        NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                                        Jacob Wallace
                                        Yale School of Public Health
                                        Department of Health Policy and Management

                                        Jason L. Schwartz
                                        Yale School of Public Health

                                        Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                                        Yale School of Management and NBER

                                        Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

                                        That still doesn’t answer Mik’s question. What type of Ghouls are Messers Wallace, Schwartz, and Goldsmith-Pinkham (guy with hyphenated last name :eyeroll:)? Their names and qualifications don’t really answer that question.

                                        For instance: Mik may have also asked “What type of idiot would post this study?” And I may have answered “Axtremus”, but that doesn’t address the main point of Mik’s question, what type of idiot is Axtremus? Is he an imbecile, an ignoramus, a fool, a simpleton, dullard, or nitwit? That’s what we need to find out.

                                        I hope that helps!

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                                        Axtremus
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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                        @Axtremus said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                        @Mik said in More Republicans than Democrats die from COVID-19:

                                        What kind of ghoul would even undertake such a study?

                                        NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH (NBER)

                                        Jacob Wallace
                                        Yale School of Public Health
                                        Department of Health Policy and Management

                                        Jason L. Schwartz
                                        Yale School of Public Health

                                        Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham
                                        Yale School of Management and NBER

                                        Seriously, the authors and their affiliations are listed in the paper, page 2.

                                        That still doesn’t answer Mik’s question.

                                        Sure it does. Public health researchers and economists study this type of questions. Given the names and affiliations of the authors, you can also look further into their body of work to get a better sense of what they have been studying/researching, how this work fits in the context of what they have been studying/researching, why they choose to study research this question now. (If you’re the “follow the money” type, you can lookup who may be funding/commissioning the study/research. But in this case you wouldn’t need to because the authors disclosed the source of funding right on the first page.)

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                                          What might be more fun, is to follow the blacks

                                          South has more. Big cities have more. Did COVID have a racial disparity in mortality and if so, why?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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