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He's not wrong here: Matt Gaetz

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #5

    Nothing passive about my statement. You stand on a heap of shot messengers.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Online
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      Messenger mass murdering monster.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Messenger mass murdering monster.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        Fucking messengers. I hate them all.

        I was only joking

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        • MikM Offline
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          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #8

          I could get behind all that, especially the single subject rule. These patchwork bills are where spending goes wild.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            #9

            I actually agree with all of that, although I don't think a life-time ban on lobbying is realistic.

            Maybe they should pay members of congress more as a base salary, and then remove all the opportunities for corruption?

            I was only joking

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            • MikM Offline
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              There isn't enough money in the world to do that.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                (1) is posturing as it's already been ruled unconstitutional.

                (2) I'm ok with but it doesn't animate me all that much. It would just empower senior Hill staffers more, a group that already has a high outflow to lobbying firms.

                (3) Hear, hear.

                (4) I get his point but it's impractical. Major legislation on any particular subject area is too infrequent, so you need the flexibility to get tweaks and changes into whatever bill is gaining momentum. That's how the legislation I've been pushing will end up getting passed.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Infrequent is good. I'd like to narrow it down a bit and let the Congress critters actually read and discuss non-byzantine legislation.

                  But I would also be in favor of a calendar where no major bills would be discussed and voted on, and only less expensive minor bills would be considered. Or where multiple minor bills could be grouped under one subject area.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    @jon-nyc said in He's not wrong here: Matt Gaetz:

                    (1) is posturing as it's already been ruled unconstitutional.

                    (2) I'm ok with but it doesn't animate me all that much. It would just empower senior Hill staffers more, a group that already has a high outflow to lobbying firms.

                    (3) Hear, hear.

                    (4) I get his point but it's impractical. Major legislation on any particular subject area is too infrequent, so you need the flexibility to get tweaks and changes into whatever bill is gaining momentum. That's how the legislation I've been pushing will end up getting passed.

                    1. Listen again. He’s not proposing legislation, he’s proposing Constitutional Amendments. Can a Constitutional Amendment be found Unconstitutional?

                    2. It seems you would also need to ban immediate family members as well, and that starts getting iffy.

                    3. Yes.

                    4. We’re not talking about tweaks, we’re talking about completely unrelated topics.

                    The Brad

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                    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                      I think he does make a lot of good points, especially the first one. Large donations to a candidate are kind of like "official bribes". If someone (or some organization) donates thousands or millions to a candidate, you can be sure that they want something in return.

                      Regarding salaries. I think I have mentioned this before, but Singapore saw this as a problem. Some of the best people that would help run government were not available because they could make much much more in the private area. Their philosophy was that if someone is going to be named as head of a multi-billion dollar organization that has thousands or employees, then we have to be competitive with industry if we expect to get the best people. (This may not apply directly to elected officials, but maybe their salaries should be higher.)

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