Thought Experiment-Biden as President
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 01:31 last edited by
If Biden comes out to see the light of day, then maybe we can tell who is pulling the levers. Maybe it's obvious to some, but I want names.
People keep telling Trump to shut up, quit Tweeting!!
People keep telling Biden. . . something. Just follow the script, and wait for the time when he is told who will be VP. Listen to her, and find out who her masters are.
There'll be Peace, in, the Valley. . .
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 01:53 last edited by
I know we have several on this board who are Biden supporters, but I seldom see them defending him.
Their lack of enthusiasm is dissappointing...
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 01:56 last edited by
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:00 last edited by
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What is he going to say about the economy and Covid?
Is he going to advocate we shelter in place? Is he going to go along with media about the growth in cases and deaths?
Curious what it is going to look like under him. I want to hear about a mission when there is no margin.
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:20 last edited by@Loki said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
What is he going to say about the economy and Covid?
Is he going to advocate we shelter in place? Is he going to go along with media about the growth in cases and deaths?
Curious what it is going to look like under him. I want to hear about a mission when there is no margin.
I think whoever is President, the economy will start to (or be) picking up in the US, and the President will (somewhat) wrongly claim credit for it.
In many cases, people have short memories, and I think that even if the US economy stays slow for one year or so, it will eventually come back, and there will be significant growth over the last part of the next President term. If it is Vice President Biden, he will claim credit.
As to his response to COVID-19, I think he will obvisouly be suggesting a slower and more gradual opening. He will be able to get away with this, as he has four years to let things recover.
President Trump does not have that 'luxury" as his re-election is in a big part based on how the economy is doing. He cannot effort to wait and let things be locked down until Nevember,
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:23 last edited by
There is no way in hell the economy will grow under a Biden presidency. None.
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I know we have several on this board who are Biden supporters, but I seldom see them defending him.
Their lack of enthusiasm is dissappointing...
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:40 last edited by@Jolly said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
I know we have several on this board who are Biden supporters, but I seldom see them defending him.
Their lack of enthusiasm is dissappointing...
Who’s going to be enthusiastic about Joe Biden ferchrissakes?
I’m just glad he took it from Bernie at the relative last minute. Thank you, South Carolina.
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:42 last edited by
@Larry said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
There is no way in hell the economy will grow under a Biden presidency. None.
Sure it will. In history, there has not been much difference between GDP growth of Democrat and Republic presidents.
If it is studied post world war 2, top five avg GDP growth:
Johnson
Kennedy
Clinton
Nixon and Reagan tiedStock market, the same thing. (Actually, on a percent basis, it does a bit better under Democrat than Republic.
Job growth is the same thing. Not best strictly under Republics and not best strictly under Democrats
My point is that the economy will keeping rolling forward regardless of who is US President.
President Trump re-elected. Economy will be good.
Vice President Biden elected. Economy will be good. -
@Jolly said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
I know we have several on this board who are Biden supporters, but I seldom see them defending him.
Their lack of enthusiasm is dissappointing...
Who’s going to be enthusiastic about Joe Biden ferchrissakes?
I’m just glad he took it from Bernie at the relative last minute. Thank you, South Carolina.
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:46 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
@Jolly said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
I know we have several on this board who are Biden supporters, but I seldom see them defending him.
Their lack of enthusiasm is dissappointing...
Who’s going to be enthusiastic about Joe Biden ferchrissakes?
I’m just glad he took it from Bernie at the relative last minute. Thank you, South Carolina.
So we’ve been reduced to rooting for the VP who we don’t even know who it’s going to be except his choices are limited to sex and now race or BLM is a sham.
It’s such an odd year. We fell into a candidate, not one that was really picked through a process. Think about that. Biden is the default candidate through a set of circumstances no one can describe as a strategic process.
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:50 last edited by
We lost strategy when the smoky rooms gave up their power.
I wish we could get those days back. Or at least the days where a handful of media companies policed the bounds of acceptability.
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We lost strategy when the smoky rooms gave up their power.
I wish we could get those days back. Or at least the days where a handful of media companies policed the bounds of acceptability.
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 02:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
We lost strategy when the smoky rooms gave up their power.
I wish we could get those days back. Or at least the days where a handful of media companies policed the bounds of acceptability.
It’s a good point. Historians will certainly have a lot to write about, but to isolate Biden for a moment, we seem to be destined to elect a President who had one good night, who’s main strategy is to hide and has raised legitimate concerns about what is occurring with his cognitive abilities. I have to admit I did not see this 9 months ago but in the absence of evidence to the contrary I don’t believe my thoughts are unreasonable.
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 03:07 last edited by
The next election is basically going to be Dumb and Dumber 3. The only question is which one is which.
I know, I know, an idiot can't get elected President. It's in the Constitution.
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@Larry said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
There is no way in hell the economy will grow under a Biden presidency. None.
Sure it will. In history, there has not been much difference between GDP growth of Democrat and Republic presidents.
If it is studied post world war 2, top five avg GDP growth:
Johnson
Kennedy
Clinton
Nixon and Reagan tiedStock market, the same thing. (Actually, on a percent basis, it does a bit better under Democrat than Republic.
Job growth is the same thing. Not best strictly under Republics and not best strictly under Democrats
My point is that the economy will keeping rolling forward regardless of who is US President.
President Trump re-elected. Economy will be good.
Vice President Biden elected. Economy will be good.wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 03:29 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
@Larry said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
There is no way in hell the economy will grow under a Biden presidency. None.
Sure it will. In history, there has not been much difference between GDP growth of Democrat and Republic presidents.
If it is studied post world war 2, top five avg GDP growth:
Johnson
Kennedy
Clinton
Nixon and Reagan tiedStock market, the same thing. (Actually, on a percent basis, it does a bit better under Democrat than Republic.
Job growth is the same thing. Not best strictly under Republics and not best strictly under Democrats
My point is that the economy will keeping rolling forward regardless of who is US President.
President Trump re-elected. Economy will be good.
Vice President Biden elected. Economy will be good.By your yardstick, there are no great leaders.
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 03:39 last edited by
The implicit assumption behind TG’s oft repeated claim, which in fairness is widely repeated by many others - that republican/Democrat politics can be extrapolated from the past into the future in their effect on the economy - is pretty obviously dubious. The economic policies are getting fringy on the left and the past does not contain adequate precedent to extrapolate the future from.
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The implicit assumption behind TG’s oft repeated claim, which in fairness is widely repeated by many others - that republican/Democrat politics can be extrapolated from the past into the future in their effect on the economy - is pretty obviously dubious. The economic policies are getting fringy on the left and the past does not contain adequate precedent to extrapolate the future from.
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@Larry said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
There is no way in hell the economy will grow under a Biden presidency. None.
Sure it will. In history, there has not been much difference between GDP growth of Democrat and Republic presidents.
If it is studied post world war 2, top five avg GDP growth:
Johnson
Kennedy
Clinton
Nixon and Reagan tiedStock market, the same thing. (Actually, on a percent basis, it does a bit better under Democrat than Republic.
Job growth is the same thing. Not best strictly under Republics and not best strictly under Democrats
My point is that the economy will keeping rolling forward regardless of who is US President.
President Trump re-elected. Economy will be good.
Vice President Biden elected. Economy will be good.wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 04:38 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
@Larry said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
There is no way in hell the economy will grow under a Biden presidency. None.
Sure it will. In history, there has not been much difference between GDP growth of Democrat and Republic presidents.
If it is studied post world war 2, top five avg GDP growth:
Johnson
Kennedy
Clinton
Nixon and Reagan tiedStock market, the same thing. (Actually, on a percent basis, it does a bit better under Democrat than Republic.
Job growth is the same thing. Not best strictly under Republics and not best strictly under Democrats
My point is that the economy will keeping rolling forward regardless of who is US President.
President Trump re-elected. Economy will be good.
Vice President Biden elected. Economy will be good.TG, I know that's what you believe, but you're incorrect.
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@Horace Policies gotta go through congress. Getting anything notable done in congress seems laughable.
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 04:56 last edited by@xenon said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
@Horace Policies gotta go through congress. Getting anything notable done in congress seems laughable.
And the Trump tax cuts happened how?
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@xenon said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
@Horace Policies gotta go through congress. Getting anything notable done in congress seems laughable.
And the Trump tax cuts happened how?
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 06:24 last edited by xenon@Horace budget reconciliation.
Also I don’t think that changed the longer term trajectory of the country much.
We went into more debt to give a tax cut. Pay now or pay later.
I don’t think Obama got any tax policy done, did he? (Not sure)
I think there’s almost zero chance of the senate flipping this year.
I do take your point though. I hope someone plays to the center soon before the loonies swing back hard on the pendulum.
I don’t think Trump is holding the left at bay, I think he’s riling up their lunatics.
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@Horace budget reconciliation.
Also I don’t think that changed the longer term trajectory of the country much.
We went into more debt to give a tax cut. Pay now or pay later.
I don’t think Obama got any tax policy done, did he? (Not sure)
I think there’s almost zero chance of the senate flipping this year.
I do take your point though. I hope someone plays to the center soon before the loonies swing back hard on the pendulum.
I don’t think Trump is holding the left at bay, I think he’s riling up their lunatics.
wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 11:28 last edited by@xenon said in Thought Experiment-Biden as President:
@Horace budget reconciliation.
Also I don’t think that changed the longer term trajectory of the country much.
We went into more debt to give a tax cut. Pay now or pay later.
I don’t think Obama got any tax policy done, did he? (Not sure)
I think there’s almost zero chance of the senate flipping this year.
I do take your point though. I hope someone plays to the center soon before the loonies swing back hard on the pendulum.
I don’t think Trump is holding the left at bay, I think he’s riling up their lunatics.
Between business confidence in a business friendly Trump and the tax cuts, the economy did very well.
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wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 11:53 last edited by
Money exists and was invented to be a way to quantify everything quantifiable that people care about. To say that politics has no meaningful effect on people’s money is to say politics has no meaningful effect.
I think the main observation behind that side of the discussion is that the wheels of our government are complex and people who win elections don’t have magic wands. While that is true and while there appears to be a leftward bias over time, each election does something to temper the speed of that shift.