Trump vs. DeSantis
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I don't think he ever had the majority of TNCR. He was just preferable to the alternatives for many. I did not vote for him in 2016 but was pleased by most of his policies. He was a better president than I thought until the end.
But I don't want him back.
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 17:36 last edited by@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I don't think he ever had the majority of TNCR. He was just preferable to the alternatives for many. I did not vote for him in 2016 but was pleased by most of his policies. He was a better president than I thought until the end.
But I don't want him back.This.
Back in 2012, when he first ran for president, I called him a buffoon. I felt that way in 2016, and I didn't vote for him either. The problem with Trump is the buffoonery gets in the way of policy.
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wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 20:33 last edited by
The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.
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@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I don't think he ever had the majority of TNCR. He was just preferable to the alternatives for many. I did not vote for him in 2016 but was pleased by most of his policies. He was a better president than I thought until the end.
But I don't want him back.This.
Back in 2012, when he first ran for president, I called him a buffoon. I felt that way in 2016, and I didn't vote for him either. The problem with Trump is the buffoonery gets in the way of policy.
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 20:42 last edited by@George-K said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I don't think he ever had the majority of TNCR. He was just preferable to the alternatives for many. I did not vote for him in 2016 but was pleased by most of his policies. He was a better president than I thought until the end.
But I don't want him back.This.
Back in 2012, when he first ran for president, I called him a buffoon. I felt that way in 2016, and I didn't vote for him either. The problem with Trump is the buffoonery gets in the way of policy.
Yeah, but Trump will make it about Donald Trump.
Same thing, with the same result.
Damn.
Oh yeah, I forgot, it's been a long time since I made your day. . .
BREXIT!!!
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@George-K said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I don't think he ever had the majority of TNCR. He was just preferable to the alternatives for many. I did not vote for him in 2016 but was pleased by most of his policies. He was a better president than I thought until the end.
But I don't want him back.This.
Back in 2012, when he first ran for president, I called him a buffoon. I felt that way in 2016, and I didn't vote for him either. The problem with Trump is the buffoonery gets in the way of policy.
Yeah, but Trump will make it about Donald Trump.
Same thing, with the same result.
Damn.
Oh yeah, I forgot, it's been a long time since I made your day. . .
BREXIT!!!
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wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 21:11 last edited by
I’m sure Trump will do what he can to make it about himself, and of course the Democrats will, mostly through existential threat messaging. But I doubt the Republican Party will be doing much to make it about Trump.
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The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 22:01 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.You meant to say Democrats, right? What else have they spoken about for the last 22 months?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.You meant to say Democrats, right? What else have they spoken about for the last 22 months?
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 22:43 last edited by@George-K said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.You meant to say Democrats, right? What else have they spoken about for the last 22 months?
It makes sense for the Dems to make it about him, due to the economy, debt, inflation and so on. They know that if they insult him, he will respond and the whole dialogue becomes about him.
It’s up to the Republicans to break this. Trump sure as hell can’t.
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wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 22:50 last edited by
I voted for Trump in 2016. He tried to do what he said he would do, so I voted for him in 2020.
You want the perfect candidate and you'll lie in your deathbed still waiting for that candidate to come along.
I'm pleased with Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh. Not to mention most of the other 200-some odd appointed judges.
I thought Trump's tax cut was good policy and I think the resulting rising economic tide lifted a lot of boats, particularly in minority communities.
I think Trump got it right on border security and that would have been better on it except for Dems in Congress and their rabid opposition.
I thought the Space Force was the right move, and if done properly will cut down on the office war between the Navy and the Air Force.
I don't agree that Trump screwed up the COVID response. You know what you know when you know it. On that note, I'm willing to overlook some stuff from Biden, particularly early in his Residency.
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
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@George-K said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.You meant to say Democrats, right? What else have they spoken about for the last 22 months?
It makes sense for the Dems to make it about him, due to the economy, debt, inflation and so on. They know that if they insult him, he will respond and the whole dialogue becomes about him.
It’s up to the Republicans to break this. Trump sure as hell can’t.
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 22:57 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@George-K said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The Republicans have so many things they could focus on - the economy, debt, inflation, crime, immigration, the list goes on.
If instead they decide to make this election about Donald Trump, then they deserve to lose. By a lot.You meant to say Democrats, right? What else have they spoken about for the last 22 months?
It makes sense for the Dems to make it about him, due to the economy, debt, inflation and so on. They know that if they insult him, he will respond and the whole dialogue becomes about him.
It’s up to the Republicans to break this. Trump sure as hell can’t.
Be careful or you can be hoisted on the economic petard.
If we go further in the economic dumpster (I think we will) and Trump can generate nostalgia for the booming economy under his watch, anything is possible. Right now, I think he has a shot at the nomination. As January 6 becomes ancient history and more of a nothing burger, the public (except for people who would never vote for Trump anyway) will place a lot less emphasis on that event, than they will on the current events at the time of the primaries and general election.
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I voted for Trump in 2016. He tried to do what he said he would do, so I voted for him in 2020.
You want the perfect candidate and you'll lie in your deathbed still waiting for that candidate to come along.
I'm pleased with Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh. Not to mention most of the other 200-some odd appointed judges.
I thought Trump's tax cut was good policy and I think the resulting rising economic tide lifted a lot of boats, particularly in minority communities.
I think Trump got it right on border security and that would have been better on it except for Dems in Congress and their rabid opposition.
I thought the Space Force was the right move, and if done properly will cut down on the office war between the Navy and the Air Force.
I don't agree that Trump screwed up the COVID response. You know what you know when you know it. On that note, I'm willing to overlook some stuff from Biden, particularly early in his Residency.
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 23:25 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
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I voted for Trump in 2016. He tried to do what he said he would do, so I voted for him in 2020.
You want the perfect candidate and you'll lie in your deathbed still waiting for that candidate to come along.
I'm pleased with Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh. Not to mention most of the other 200-some odd appointed judges.
I thought Trump's tax cut was good policy and I think the resulting rising economic tide lifted a lot of boats, particularly in minority communities.
I think Trump got it right on border security and that would have been better on it except for Dems in Congress and their rabid opposition.
I thought the Space Force was the right move, and if done properly will cut down on the office war between the Navy and the Air Force.
I don't agree that Trump screwed up the COVID response. You know what you know when you know it. On that note, I'm willing to overlook some stuff from Biden, particularly early in his Residency.
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 23:27 last edited by Mik 11 Jul 2022, 23:29@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I voted for Trump in 2016. He tried to do what he said he would do, so I voted for him in 2020.
You want the perfect candidate and you'll lie in your deathbed still waiting for that candidate to come along.
I'm pleased with Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh. Not to mention most of the other 200-some odd appointed judges.
I thought Trump's tax cut was good policy and I think the resulting rising economic tide lifted a lot of boats, particularly in minority communities.
I think Trump got it right on border security and that would have been better on it except for Dems in Congress and their rabid opposition.
I thought the Space Force was the right move, and if done properly will cut down on the office war between the Navy and the Air Force.
I don't agree that Trump screwed up the COVID response. You know what you know when you know it. On that note, I'm willing to overlook some stuff from Biden, particularly early in his Residency.
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I agree with that. He pleasantly surprised me. I also don’t think he did badly on Covid. We had a vaccine in nine months. As far as messaging, almost no one got that right.
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@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 00:06 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.
Failures?
Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.
Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.
I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.
Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.
Failures?
Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.
Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.
I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.
Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.
wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 00:39 last edited by@Jolly When it comes to politics, biases are at the forward part.
For example, you list President Trump failures, but caveat them by saying that they were really caused by something else. However, his successes were only because of him.
I am sure that @Axe would say the same thing about President Biden. The success were due to him, failures were because of external forces.
An interesting article I read a while ago. Pretty obvious and I think that people here on this forum board are at least aware of how biases play into their perception of a candidate.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/study-finds-political-bias-skews-perceptions-of-verifiable-fact/ -
@jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.
Failures?
Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.
Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.
I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.
Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.
wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 13:45 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Aug 2022, 14:23Yeah that is the problem with these exercises. The president is almost never solely responsible for things, which allows his allies room to cut him slack when necessary. At the same time, his allies have room to give him credit for anything during which he had the good fortune to preside.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 20:32 last edited by
Trump says he voted for DeSantis for Florida's Governorship:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3725123-trump-says-he-voted-for-desantis/
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wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:08 last edited by
Trump warns other GOP candidates against running, particularly DeSantis:
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... "I don’t know if [Ron DeSantis] is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly," Trump said. "I think he would be making a mistake, I think the base would not like it — I don’t think it would be good for the party."
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Trump did say that if DeSantis does run, "I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife."
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wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:20 last edited by
There’s a good reason to vote for Ron, right there
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wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:23 last edited by
Preemptive strike.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:30 last edited by
Can't find it right now, but yesterday I saw a poll of Georgia voters.
They pick DiSantis over Trump by a 2-1 margin.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:36 last edited by
It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
