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When people don't know what they are talking about.

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-m-4-sherman-tank-was-hell-on-wheels-and-a-death-trap-502b0d99e744

    1. Ronson didn't use the slogan about lighting every time in the 40's.
    2. The Sherman was no worse about burning than any other tank of its day. After wet ammo storage was introduced, it was equivalent to its peers or better.
    3. The M4 was the only tank which fought in every theater of WW2.
    4. Soviet troops which were issued Shermans had high praise for the tank.
    5. The 75mm gun in the first edition of the M4 was considered a very good gun for HE, which is what is primarily used to support infantry. The 76mm was introduced for tank vs. tank.
    6. When introduced, the M4 had as much frontal armor as a T-34 and twice as much as a Panzer IV.

    The above is not to say it was the best tank on the battlefield, but it was reliable, serviceable and was no deathtrap. U.S. tankers had one of the lowest mortality rates of U.S. combat troops.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-m-4-sherman-tank-was-hell-on-wheels-and-a-death-trap-502b0d99e744

      1. Ronson didn't use the slogan about lighting every time in the 40's.
      2. The Sherman was no worse about burning than any other tank of its day. After wet ammo storage was introduced, it was equivalent to its peers or better.
      3. The M4 was the only tank which fought in every theater of WW2.
      4. Soviet troops which were issued Shermans had high praise for the tank.
      5. The 75mm gun in the first edition of the M4 was considered a very good gun for HE, which is what is primarily used to support infantry. The 76mm was introduced for tank vs. tank.
      6. When introduced, the M4 had as much frontal armor as a T-34 and twice as much as a Panzer IV.

      The above is not to say it was the best tank on the battlefield, but it was reliable, serviceable and was no deathtrap. U.S. tankers had one of the lowest mortality rates of U.S. combat troops.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      All it took was a German adversary like the awe-inspiring Tiger tank with its 88-millimeter gun.

      People always write about how awesome the Tiger was, but in reality it had a number of significant flaws.

      Too expensive to build, unreliable, underpowered, limited range, high fuel consumption.

      There's a reason the Germans lost all those tank battles.

      Sure, it had a really big gun, and massive amounts of armour. But the fuel trucks didn't.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        All it took was a German adversary like the awe-inspiring Tiger tank with its 88-millimeter gun.

        People always write about how awesome the Tiger was, but in reality it had a number of significant flaws.

        Too expensive to build, unreliable, underpowered, limited range, high fuel consumption.

        There's a reason the Germans lost all those tank battles.

        Sure, it had a really big gun, and massive amounts of armour. But the fuel trucks didn't.

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        @Doctor-Phibes

        There was also the British modifications to the Sherman that resulted in the Firefly. Certainly much loved by Canadian tank regiments:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Firefly

        Elbows up!

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          Mrs. Phibes' grandfather was half-Austrian, and was interned during the war after fleeing the continent, during which time he repaired tanks.

          When his internment ended, the story goes that he was given the option of either joining a tank regiment or becoming a diver (a somewhat dangerous occupation). Based on what he'd seen of the tanks, he chose diving.

          I was only joking

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