The Bicycle Lobby
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I think it needs to be selectively done. To me, it makes the most sense in a heavy urban setting. More people density, shorter commutes, shorter light shopping trips, etc.
Might work pretty well in suburbia, with the right planning.
Makes very little sense in small town and rural America.
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I think it needs to be selectively done. To me, it makes the most sense in a heavy urban setting. More people density, shorter commutes, shorter light shopping trips, etc.
Might work pretty well in suburbia, with the right planning.
Makes very little sense in small town and rural America.
@Jolly said in The Bicycle Lobby:
I think it needs to be selectively done. To me, it makes the most sense in a heavy urban setting. More people density, shorter commutes, shorter light shopping trips, etc.
Might work pretty well in suburbia, with the right planning.
Makes very little sense in small town and rural America.
Makes plenty of sense in small town and rural America. Even moreso than urban settings. If rural Americans can have tractors taking up an entire lane moving at 5 MPH, then a bicycle needing just 36 inches and moving at 20 MPH should be no problem.
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@Jolly said in The Bicycle Lobby:
I think it needs to be selectively done. To me, it makes the most sense in a heavy urban setting. More people density, shorter commutes, shorter light shopping trips, etc.
Might work pretty well in suburbia, with the right planning.
Makes very little sense in small town and rural America.
Makes plenty of sense in small town and rural America. Even moreso than urban settings. If rural Americans can have tractors taking up an entire lane moving at 5 MPH, then a bicycle needing just 36 inches and moving at 20 MPH should be no problem.
@LuFins-Dad said in The Bicycle Lobby:
@Jolly said in The Bicycle Lobby:
I think it needs to be selectively done. To me, it makes the most sense in a heavy urban setting. More people density, shorter commutes, shorter light shopping trips, etc.
Might work pretty well in suburbia, with the right planning.
Makes very little sense in small town and rural America.
Makes plenty of sense in small town and rural America. Even moreso than urban settings. If rural Americans can have tractors taking up an entire lane moving at 5 MPH, then a bicycle needing just 36 inches and moving at 20 MPH should be no problem.
Only problem is, country roads are death traps. The biggest factor is that rural folk are just incorrigible fucks when it comes to how they treat cyclists. It's far more dangerous just because of the culture clash.
Suburban areas can be bad, too, for the same reason.
The problem is culture.
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I am not a anti-biker, but I have yet to see a biker who obeys the traffic laws. Stops signs - nah! Stop/go lights - optional, etc.
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I am not a anti-biker, but I have yet to see a biker who obeys the traffic laws. Stops signs - nah! Stop/go lights - optional, etc.
@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
I am not a anti-biker, but I have yet to see a biker who obeys the traffic laws. Stops signs - nah! Stop/go lights - optional, etc.
I've mentioned this many, many times, but what you want and what you say you want are two different things.
You think bicycles are in your way. You want them to not be in your way. And you think they're in your way because they aren't following the traffic rules.
If they did actually follow traffic rules, though, they'd be very much more in your way.
The roads you drive where you feel that way? Try it on a bike sometimes, see what I mean.
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I am not a anti-biker, but I have yet to see a biker who obeys the traffic laws. Stops signs - nah! Stop/go lights - optional, etc.
@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
I am not a anti-biker, but I have yet to see a biker who obeys the traffic laws. Stops signs - nah! Stop/go lights - optional, etc.
How many drivers obey speed limits?
I mean really obey them. No more than 30 in a 30, 25 in a 25 etc.
And what do we say when we're stuck behind these people?
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@Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes I understand what you are saying. I know how to ride a bike, but do not ride one very much, and certainly not in BKK due to all the crazy law-breaking car drivers.
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
Like a preacher who (while asking for money) talks about living a good life, being a good person, etc and then it is found out he is doing bad things.
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@Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes I understand what you are saying. I know how to ride a bike, but do not ride one very much, and certainly not in BKK due to all the crazy law-breaking car drivers.
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
Like a preacher who (while asking for money) talks about living a good life, being a good person, etc and then it is found out he is doing bad things.
@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
I don't think any cyclist is really speaking from power. I do generally follow the law when cycling, although I admit if a road is completely empty I'm not going to wait at a red-light at 6.30 am on a Sunday morning.
I was only joking
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@Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes I understand what you are saying. I know how to ride a bike, but do not ride one very much, and certainly not in BKK due to all the crazy law-breaking car drivers.
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
Like a preacher who (while asking for money) talks about living a good life, being a good person, etc and then it is found out he is doing bad things.
@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
@Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes I understand what you are saying. I know how to ride a bike, but do not ride one very much, and certainly not in BKK due to all the crazy law-breaking car drivers.
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
Like a preacher who (while asking for money) talks about living a good life, being a good person, etc and then it is found out he is doing bad things.
It's not a power thing. Riding on the road on a bike is wildly different from being in a car in every way you can imagine. So different that the only way to really understand it is to try it yourself.
You're expecting them to act like cars, which they're never, ever going to do. Even if they tried it'd be impossible. It's an entirely different kind of vehicle.
Two other things to consider:
• There are many situations in which following the rules of the road on a bike makes traffic situations more dangerous for them and for you, not less. According to my traffic laws, bikes are to take up a lane of traffic on residential streets. Whose speed limit is 40. If you think a driver is going to be completely okay being behind a cyclist going 15 in a 40 for upwards of 8 miles you're out of your fucking mind. So if it's safer, you bet your ass I break the law to prevent cars from getting trapped behind me. It's safer for everyone.
• How well do you think you know the rules of the road? For example, where I live, blowing through stop signs on a bike is completely legal if there are no cars present. Yet this pisses off drivers and pedestrians because they don't know it's legal (and actually safer).Please love yourself.
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@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
I don't think any cyclist is really speaking from power. I do generally follow the law when cycling, although I admit if a road is completely empty I'm not going to wait at a red-light at 6.30 am on a Sunday morning.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Bicycle Lobby:
@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
I don't think any cyclist is really speaking from power. I do generally follow the law when cycling, although I admit if a road is completely empty I'm not going to wait at a red-light at 6.30 am on a Sunday morning.
Well that's simply because YOU THINK YOU OWN THE ROAD YOU SELFISH M*#@#$*@&@^$!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
@Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes I understand what you are saying. I know how to ride a bike, but do not ride one very much, and certainly not in BKK due to all the crazy law-breaking car drivers.
But it is hard to speak from a position of power when talking about following traffic rules when the person themself does not follow them.
Like a preacher who (while asking for money) talks about living a good life, being a good person, etc and then it is found out he is doing bad things.
It's not a power thing. Riding on the road on a bike is wildly different from being in a car in every way you can imagine. So different that the only way to really understand it is to try it yourself.
You're expecting them to act like cars, which they're never, ever going to do. Even if they tried it'd be impossible. It's an entirely different kind of vehicle.
Two other things to consider:
• There are many situations in which following the rules of the road on a bike makes traffic situations more dangerous for them and for you, not less. According to my traffic laws, bikes are to take up a lane of traffic on residential streets. Whose speed limit is 40. If you think a driver is going to be completely okay being behind a cyclist going 15 in a 40 for upwards of 8 miles you're out of your fucking mind. So if it's safer, you bet your ass I break the law to prevent cars from getting trapped behind me. It's safer for everyone.
• How well do you think you know the rules of the road? For example, where I live, blowing through stop signs on a bike is completely legal if there are no cars present. Yet this pisses off drivers and pedestrians because they don't know it's legal (and actually safer).@Aqua-Letifer said in The Bicycle Lobby:
blowing through stop signs on a bike is completely legal if there are no cars present. Yet this pisses off drivers and pedestrians
Well, if the cars are not there, then they should not be mad. LOL
(I understand what you are saying - just teasing with you)
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Bicycle Lobby:
blowing through stop signs on a bike is completely legal if there are no cars present. Yet this pisses off drivers and pedestrians
Well, if the cars are not there, then they should not be mad. LOL
(I understand what you are saying - just teasing with you)
@taiwan_girl said in The Bicycle Lobby:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Bicycle Lobby:
blowing through stop signs on a bike is completely legal if there are no cars present. Yet this pisses off drivers and pedestrians
Well, if the cars are not there, then they should not be mad. LOL
(I understand what you are saying - just teasing with you)
They shouldn't, but they get pissed anyway.
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They're only mad because they have to sit their looking stoopid in their over-sized mechanical monstrosities while Joe Kool goes piling through on his bike, looking awesome.
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They're only mad because they have to sit their looking stoopid in their over-sized mechanical monstrosities while Joe Kool goes piling through on his bike, looking awesome.
@Doctor-Phibes lol
