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Trump’s advice for U.S. Jews

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    Donald Trump on Truth Social:

    https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109177817932811190

    “No President has done more for Israel than I have. Somewhat surprisingly, however, our wonderful Evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than the people of the Jewish faith, especially those living in the U.S. Those living in Israel, though, are a different story - Highest approval rating in the World, could easily be P.M.! U.S. Jews have to get their act together and appreciate what they have in Israel - Before it is too late!”

    Now Trump-endorsed GOP candidates busily campaigning for the mid-term get to field questions on what they think about Trump’s latest advice for U.S. Jews.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      I think he's absolutely correct.

      And it needs no explaining among evangelicals or most Jews. It's only Northeastern idiots and folks like you from the Church of the Perpetually Offended, that need a Viewmaster explanation written on a sixth grade level.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        I recently listened to Jonah Goldberg, Never Trumper conservative public intellectual, on Sam Harris' podcast. He's actually a pretty bright guy, but when it comes to his attempts to justify his hatred of Trump he goes off the rails. In his most feely feel expressed on the podcast, he told of all the anti-semitism he was the target of on Twitter, by Trump supporters who hated him. How could Jonah possibly reconcile with a political side that would rather his entire family been incinerated in the concentration camps?

        This very dichotomy occurred to me, and I've never heard it coherently explained away. Why again was Isreal such a fan of Trump, while American never-Trump Jews somehow used their Jewishness as a reason they couldn't support the guy?

        One point Mr Goldberg made did resonate with me. Actually he made several good points through the discussion, but this one I think was prescient. He is seeing conservative Never-Trumpers turn their aim towards Desantis, and claiming that Desantis is just as despicable as Trump. Goldberg observes that that waters down the idea of Trump being a special villain, and marks the haters as simple tribalists, looking for a convenient moralistic reason for claiming they have no choice in which side to support in national politics. Personally, I'm watching that sub-culture emerge, and I think we can all watch it emerge if we track the opinions of the various never-Trump "middle grounders" we're familiar with.

        I wonder how the complexion of these sorts of conversations between intelligent Never-Trumpers would have been different, had Jan 6 not happened. I don't think either of those two people, capable of a basic level of self-criticism in their opinions, would have been able to move forward from an unquestioned "Trump is Evil" premise, as they did in this conversation, without January 6.

        Education is extremely important.

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          Pew Reserch's survey on Israelis sentiments towards Trump and Biden:

          https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/most-israelis-express-confidence-in-biden-but-his-ratings-are-down-from-trumps/

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          • taiwan_girlT Online
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            To me,

            US Jewish person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Isreal

            just like

            Black person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Democrat

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              To me,

              US Jewish person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Isreal

              just like

              Black person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Democrat

              George KG Offline
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              @taiwan_girl said in Trump’s advice for U.S. Jews:

              Black person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Democrat

              That's right. It's only about 92%.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                To me,

                US Jewish person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Isreal

                just like

                Black person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Democrat

                HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
                wrote on last edited by Horace
                #7

                @taiwan_girl said in Trump’s advice for U.S. Jews:

                To me,

                US Jewish person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Isreal

                just like

                Black person DOES NOT automatically equal 100% support for Democrat

                Of course there is no expectation of lockstep opinions. (I mean except for the left’s expectation of lockstep for any given intersectional label).

                The issue in need of addressing, is when a person invokes their heritage as a personal reason for feeling a certain way, but the way they feel is at odds with the mainstream viewpoint of that heritage.

                It’s not impossible that one’s heritage is a reason for any given viewpoint, but it needs some explanation if your lived experience of that heritage leads you to one conclusion, while the lived experience of most others of that heritage, leads to a different one.

                There is a chance that these people are using their heritage as a cheat code to express an opinion that cannot be questioned by those who don’t have that heritage. When the opinion actually has nothing to do with their heritage. Shhhh. That’s a secret cheat code, please don’t tell anybody about it. Word might get out, and people who use it might begin to seem like douches.

                Education is extremely important.

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