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Ahoy Mik: A Full Explanation of the Russian Word “Goida”.

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    Further to your post last week, here is a full explanation of the rally cry:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/07/goida-they-shouted-say-what-a79021

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Offline
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      wrote on last edited by Mik
      #2

      Hmmm. That's interesting, and very Russian/Viking in its bloodthirstiness.

      I kind of liked Urban Dictionary's 'Get Off Your (soon to be) Dead Ass!" Might be more accurate.

      Still find it hard to shake the idea that we may have wanted this proxy war all along.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        Hmmm. That's interesting, and very Russian/Viking in its bloodthirstiness.

        I kind of liked Urban Dictionary's 'Get Off Your (soon to be) Dead Ass!" Might be more accurate.

        Still find it hard to shake the idea that we may have wanted this proxy war all along.

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        Renauda
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        @Mik

        Not sure who you mean by “we” and I do not think for a moment this is a proxy war.

        Elbows up!

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          We meaning the west.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            We meaning the west.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #5

            @Mik

            I do not believe anyone in the West wanted this war. Since the Gorbachev era the West has poured billions if not trillions of dollars in direct aid, technical assistance and private commercial investment into Russia. The overall objective of all this has been in capacity building so that Russia could become an open and transparent society based on law and democratic principles. Arguably the West is once again guilty of naïveté in the belief that with economic development, growth and the rise of an educated middle class in Russia, a civilised and democratic republic would arise.

            We ought to have figured it out back as early as 2001 when Putin was the first foreign leader to offer condolences and pledge assistance and full cooperation to the US in the wake of 9/11. He did just that but with strings attached which G. W. Bush and his Administration could not, under any circumstances, accept. Those strings were that all the former states of The USSR would be unconditionally accepted as vassal states of the Kremlin and off limits to all Western political influences. In other words a rebirth of the Soviet Union. The US at the time made it clear that all those sovereign states such as Ukraine were free to choose their own future free of interference from Moscow.

            No, this war is entirely Putin’s wish and Putin’s doing. As one analyst put it last week, “Putin is not at all loyal to Russia, he is only loyal to the Soviet Union”.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @Mik

              I do not believe anyone in the West wanted this war. Since the Gorbachev era the West has poured billions if not trillions of dollars in direct aid, technical assistance and private commercial investment into Russia. The overall objective of all this has been in capacity building so that Russia could become an open and transparent society based on law and democratic principles. Arguably the West is once again guilty of naïveté in the belief that with economic development, growth and the rise of an educated middle class in Russia, a civilised and democratic republic would arise.

              We ought to have figured it out back as early as 2001 when Putin was the first foreign leader to offer condolences and pledge assistance and full cooperation to the US in the wake of 9/11. He did just that but with strings attached which G. W. Bush and his Administration could not, under any circumstances, accept. Those strings were that all the former states of The USSR would be unconditionally accepted as vassal states of the Kremlin and off limits to all Western political influences. In other words a rebirth of the Soviet Union. The US at the time made it clear that all those sovereign states such as Ukraine were free to choose their own future free of interference from Moscow.

              No, this war is entirely Putin’s wish and Putin’s doing. As one analyst put it last week, “Putin is not at all loyal to Russia, he is only loyal to the Soviet Union”.

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              George K
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              @Renauda said in Ahoy Mik: A Full Explanation of the Russian Word “Goida”.:

              Putin was the first foreigner leader to offer condolences and pledge assistance and full cooperation to the US in the wake of 9/11. He did just that but with strings attached which G. W. Bush and his Administration could not,under any circumstances accept. Those strings were that all the former dates of The USSR would be unconditionally accepted as vassal states of the Kremlin and off limits to all Western political influences. In other words a rebirth of the Soviet Union.

              I was not aware of this.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Nor was I.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG George K

                  @Renauda said in Ahoy Mik: A Full Explanation of the Russian Word “Goida”.:

                  Putin was the first foreigner leader to offer condolences and pledge assistance and full cooperation to the US in the wake of 9/11. He did just that but with strings attached which G. W. Bush and his Administration could not,under any circumstances accept. Those strings were that all the former dates of The USSR would be unconditionally accepted as vassal states of the Kremlin and off limits to all Western political influences. In other words a rebirth of the Soviet Union.

                  I was not aware of this.

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #8

                  @George-K

                  I only learned of it recently myself from none other than an interview podcast with Stephen Kotkin. I have no reason to doubt it as factual given the source and what I do know of Putin’s subsequent actions.

                  Here is the podcast on YouTube. If I recall correctly Kotkin makes the statement in last 45 minutes of the interview. FWIW, the whole 2.5 hour presentation is well worth listening. Kotkin’s analyses of global affairs involving Russia and China never disappoints.

                  Link to video

                  Elbows up!

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