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Turf. I hate artificial turf. I know it's better today than it was years ago, but the stuff is not as spongy as a good grass field.
Although I don't know if that would have helped Tua, as his head was body-slammed into the turf.
He got rocked last week and I don't know how he avoided concussion protocol. George might know for sure, but I think once you have a concussion you become more susceptible to more.
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Turf. I hate artificial turf. I know it's better today than it was years ago, but the stuff is not as spongy as a good grass field.
Although I don't know if that would have helped Tua, as his head was body-slammed into the turf.
He got rocked last week and I don't know how he avoided concussion protocol. George might know for sure, but I think once you have a concussion you become more susceptible to more.
@Jolly said in Tua Tagged:
He got rocked last week and I don't know how he avoided concussion protocol.
Are the folks not taking it seriously enough?
I know in Formula 1 when there's a big impact, and over 50G is not that uncommon, they have to go through a whole set of tests. When they started implementing the safety measures, there was a lot of resistance from circuit owners, and in some cases drivers, but the death rate for a sport that at one time had something like a 20% fatality rate has been massively reduced. Some would argue the sport's not what it was, but to be honest I have no wish to see die horribly on Sunday afternoon TV.
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@Jolly said in Tua Tagged:
In a Cincy Level 1 trauma center right now.
Snarkiness aside, do you think there's anything they could do to make the game safer without ruining it?
As a non-fan, it seems overly hazardous, particularly for younger kids who probably aren't going to make a fortune, but are still at significant risk.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Tua Tagged:
@Jolly said in Tua Tagged:
In a Cincy Level 1 trauma center right now.
Snarkiness aside, do you think there's anything they could do to make the game safer without ruining it?
Get more slow guys, embrace diversity
They are too big and fast today, that is what causes trouble
Establish quotas for little slow guys
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They put him through protocol and he supposedly passed.
There is supposed to be an unaffiliated physician assigned to each team, plus another in the booth. The protocol...
A review of the "No-Go" criteria reviewed above (Loss of Consciousness (including impact seizure and/or "fencing posture"), Gross Motor Instability (as defined above) Confusion, and Amnesia), which, if present, requires the player to be brought to the locker room immediately and he shall not return to play;
Inquiry regarding the history of the event;
Review of concussion signs and symptoms (See, Section I (C and D));
All Maddock's questions;
Complete Video Review of the injury (detailed below), including discussion with the Booth UNC; and
Focused Neurological Exam, inclusive of the following:
Cervical Spine Examination (including range of motion and pain);
Evaluation of speech;
Observations of gait; and
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Bridgewater is playing well. Miami defense has done a great job taking away our weapons. Great secondary.
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The official investigation regarding the decision to clear Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains pending. For now, however, the NFL Players Association has decided to take action.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFLPA has exercised its prerogative to terminate the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant involved in the decision to clear Tua to return to action.
The concussion protocol provides that players who demonstrate gross motor instability may return only if the team physician, in consultation with the UNC, determines that the instability did not have a neurological cause.
Although specific findings have not been made regarding how and why Tua returned, the union lost confidence in the UNC, given that the impairment of the player was obvious. Based on the available video, Tua should not have returned.
Ravens coach John Harbaugh made that point on Friday, as tactfully as he could.
“I couldn’t believe what I saw last Sunday,” Harbaugh said regarding Tua clearly wobbling and later returning to the game. “It was just something that was astonishing to see. I’ve been coaching for 40 years now, college in the NFL, almost 40, and I’ve never seen anything like it before. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.”
The NFLPA couldn’t believe it, either. And the union saw enough to move on from the UNC who was involved in the situation, regardless of the investigation’s specific findings.
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The official investigation regarding the decision to clear Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains pending. For now, however, the NFL Players Association has decided to take action.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFLPA has exercised its prerogative to terminate the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant involved in the decision to clear Tua to return to action.
The concussion protocol provides that players who demonstrate gross motor instability may return only if the team physician, in consultation with the UNC, determines that the instability did not have a neurological cause.
Although specific findings have not been made regarding how and why Tua returned, the union lost confidence in the UNC, given that the impairment of the player was obvious. Based on the available video, Tua should not have returned.
Ravens coach John Harbaugh made that point on Friday, as tactfully as he could.
“I couldn’t believe what I saw last Sunday,” Harbaugh said regarding Tua clearly wobbling and later returning to the game. “It was just something that was astonishing to see. I’ve been coaching for 40 years now, college in the NFL, almost 40, and I’ve never seen anything like it before. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.”
The NFLPA couldn’t believe it, either. And the union saw enough to move on from the UNC who was involved in the situation, regardless of the investigation’s specific findings.
@George-K said in Tua Tagged:
The concussion protocol provides that players who demonstrate gross motor instability may return only if the team physician, in consultation with the UNC, determines that the instability did not have a neurological cause.
Wha-a-a-t???
So if the player is, what, naturally dizzy it's okay to send him back in?
Setting aside the uselessness of the coach's comment, I too am astounded they let Tua back in when he was carted off the field on a stretcher. Though I got to admire his grit.
Sending him good wishes.
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Drew Brees played much of the 2020 season with 11 cracked ribs. Earlier in his career, he had an injury (total rotator cuff tear) than no NFL QB had ever come back from.
He knows injury and pain.
I heard him interviewed the other day about Tua. He said just as a general thought, it's common in nay NFL season to have a play where you get slobberknocked to the point you go numb. It's usually just for a moment and then reality kicks back in and you gear up for the next play.
And as football players, and particularly quarterbacks, you don't quit, you suck it up and play, you don't let your teammates down. You are the leader, you lead.
But the concussion protocol exists to protect players from themselves. It is the coaching staff's responsibility to make sure that protocol is rigidly followed.
Brees expressed concern not about Miami's coaching staff, because they had been given the green light by the medical staff after Tua got knocked staggering. But he certainly wondered about the docs. Apparently, the medical staff dropped the ball. Badly.
And another thing I wasn't aware of...Baselines are done by the players before each season. There are whispers among NFL players about tanking those tests, so if you do get slightly dinged, you can try to sneak past the docs. I'm not sure a player can actually cover up a slight concussion, but the players think they can.
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A play just happened in the Saints game...Hill trucked a Vikings defender. The guy got up wobbling.
Instead of stopping play and immediately evaluating the guy, they put somebody in for him and the defender headed to the bench. Only then did the red cap go check on him. Then the red cap takes him into the treatment tent.
The NFL and NFLPA are currently negotiating about concussions...I'm in the NFLPA's corner.
