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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      I recently watched a series of documentaries on YouTube about war material production in WW2. Occasionally, you run across tidbits that make you perk your ears.

      GM found out it could ship more trucks, A LOT MORE TRUCKS, if it disassembled them right after they came off of the production line and crated them two to a crate. What used to fit on over twenty Liberty Ships, would now fit on two.

      The problem became how to reassemble them on an industrial scale. So, GM built a factory in Iran, transferred over hundreds of engineers and trainers, then trained a bucketload of Iranians in modern industrial assembly lines.

      Once fully operational, they were assembling a truck every fifteen minutes or less.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
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        They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          George K
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          Iran restricts internet as Mahsa Amini protest deaths mount and UN calls for investigation

          Iranian authorities say they will restrict internet access in the country until calm is restored to the streets, as protests over the death of a young woman in the custody of the morality police rock the Islamic Republic.

          Thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets in protest since the death last week of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, who was apprehended in Tehran and taken to a “re-education center”, apparently for not wearing her hijab properly.

          Since Friday, demonstrations have taken place in at least 40 cities nationwide, including the capital Tehran, with protesters demanding an end to violence and discrimination against women as well as an end to compulsory wearing of the hijab.

          Dozens of protesters have reportedly been killed in the resulting clashes with security forces.

          CNN cannot independently verify the death toll –  a precise figure is impossible for anyone outside the Iranian government to confirm – and different estimates have been given by opposition groups, international rights organizations and local journalists. Amnesty International said Friday that at least 30 people, including four children, had died; according to state media the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, 35 people have died.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
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            Amanpour says Iran’s president canceled interview when she wouldn’t cover head

            hristiane Amanpour was all set to interview Iran’s president in New York on Wednesday when Iranian officials stepped in with a last-minute condition: The CNN host would have to wear a head covering, in deference to Iranian custom and an Islamic religious ritual.
            Amanpour said she refused — at which point aides to president Ebrahim Raisi canceled the interview, setting off an incident that underscored tensions over women’s rights in Iran.
            “I refused to fold or cave to enable [the Iranians] to impose the laws of their land on our land,” Amanpour told The Washington Post on Thursday. She added, “I stood up for myself as a journalist.”

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Mik

              They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

              JollyJ Offline
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              @Mik said in In Iran:

              They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

              And they are very quick to tell you they are Persian, not Arab.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Mik said in In Iran:

                They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

                And they are very quick to tell you they are Persian, not Arab.

                MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
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                @Jolly said in In Iran:

                @Mik said in In Iran:

                They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

                And they are very quick to tell you they are Persian, not Arab.

                Yes, they are. At the height of the hostage crisis in 80 I had a number of Iranian friends in San Diego. They all said the same.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • MikM Mik

                  @Jolly said in In Iran:

                  @Mik said in In Iran:

                  They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

                  And they are very quick to tell you they are Persian, not Arab.

                  Yes, they are. At the height of the hostage crisis in 80 I had a number of Iranian friends in San Diego. They all said the same.

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                  Copper
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                  @Mik said in In Iran:

                  hostage crisis in 80

                  I played golf with one of those hostages this morning.

                  Iraq invaded Iran during this week in 1980.
                  Although I didn't realize it at the time we flew over the invasion at 30,000 feet near Basrah. This was during Saddam Hussein's invading days.

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                  • MikM Mik

                    @Jolly said in In Iran:

                    @Mik said in In Iran:

                    They’re largely an educated populace and would make a fine ally.

                    And they are very quick to tell you they are Persian, not Arab.

                    Yes, they are. At the height of the hostage crisis in 80 I had a number of Iranian friends in San Diego. They all said the same.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @Mik said in In Iran:

                    At the height of the hostage crisis in 80 I had a number of Iranian friends in San Diego. They all said the same.

                    One of my colleagues, and friends, a guy named Rahim, was beside himself.

                    Yeah, he called himself Persian as well.

                    Slightly off-topic: I dated a girl who said she was of Assyrian ancestry. Gawd was she gorgeous...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      Well, good.

                      SpaceX chief Elon Musk said he was activating his company’s Starlink internet service in Iran, which cut off web access to its more than 80 million citizens this week, after the U.S. Treasury Department eased sanctions to help support the free flow of information in the country.

                      In recent days, the Iranian government has carried out a swift and violent crackdown on the massive protests that have rocked the country since the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini on Sept. 16. The country’s morality police detained the young woman in mid-September because they considered she was not wearing her hijab, or headscarf, properly. Amini died three days after being arrested by the morality police.

                      Her family and protestors say the young woman died because she was beaten by the police. Authorities, meanwhile, claim she died from a heart attack.

                      The American government has called Amini’s death a tragedy and on Friday issued guidance that loosened restrictions for tech companies seeking to operate in Iran, which remains under strict sanctions from the U.S.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Mik said in In Iran:

                        At the height of the hostage crisis in 80 I had a number of Iranian friends in San Diego. They all said the same.

                        One of my colleagues, and friends, a guy named Rahim, was beside himself.

                        Yeah, he called himself Persian as well.

                        Slightly off-topic: I dated a girl who said she was of Assyrian ancestry. Gawd was she gorgeous...

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        @George-K said in In Iran:

                        Slightly off-topic: I dated a girl who said she was of Assyrian ancestry. Gawd was she gorgeous...

                        An Iranian ex-pat in her late 20's worked for us a couple of years ago. Oh boy. My Russian friend introduced himself to her by saying "You look like my wife!". It wasn't clear whether he meant his current one or his next one.

                        I was only joking

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          @Mik said in In Iran:

                          hostage crisis in 80

                          I played golf with one of those hostages this morning.

                          Iraq invaded Iran during this week in 1980.
                          Although I didn't realize it at the time we flew over the invasion at 30,000 feet near Basrah. This was during Saddam Hussein's invading days.

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                          Copper
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                          @Copper said in In Iran:

                          I played golf with one of those hostages this morning.

                          This was only 10 days ago.

                          He went into the hospital on Friday with a heart attack. He came home on Sunday, doing well. He died in his sleep this morning.

                          He was a 24 year old Navy petty officer when he was taken hostage in Iran.

                          Remember the "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" campaign that was popular during the crisis? There were yellow ribbons in just about every town square in the country. Sam told me that when he got home, he received a personal phone call from Tony Orlando who sang the song for him over the phone, nice story.

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            @Copper said in In Iran:

                            I played golf with one of those hostages this morning.

                            This was only 10 days ago.

                            He went into the hospital on Friday with a heart attack. He came home on Sunday, doing well. He died in his sleep this morning.

                            He was a 24 year old Navy petty officer when he was taken hostage in Iran.

                            Remember the "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" campaign that was popular during the crisis? There were yellow ribbons in just about every town square in the country. Sam told me that when he got home, he received a personal phone call from Tony Orlando who sang the song for him over the phone, nice story.

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                            taiwan_girl
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                            @Copper Wow. That is too bad.

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
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                                Excellent sign.

                                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-protests-are-proving-a-durable-challenge-to-the-islamic-republic-11665319812

                                  Three weeks after antigovernment protests erupted across Iran—sparked by the death of a woman detained for allegedly violating the country’s strict Islamic dress code—the movement has proved more durable than previous challenges to Tehran’s leaders and could pose a continuing threat.

                                  Students across the country rallied outside universities on Sunday, chanting slogans including “death to the dictator,” and schoolgirls marched in the streets of Tehran waving their veils in the air, a gesture that has become a central expression of dissent. The governor of Kurdistan province on Sunday ordered universities closed, likely to avoid more protests. Stores across the country stayed closed as part of a widening strike of shopkeepers.

                                  The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said. But the deep disaffection they represent and the fact that they target a key pillar of the Islamic Republic and its foundational ideology make them a significant test.

                                  Since the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman taken into custody by Iran’s morality police in September, protesters who initially focused on women’s rights have broadened their aims, calling for more freedom in life and politics and the ouster of the country’s Islamic leadership.

                                  At the heart of the protests is the Islamic head covering, or hijab, which has been mandatory for Iranian women since 1983, four years after the Islamic Revolution that brought the Islamic clerics to power.

                                  “This moment is significant because it has unleashed the potential for longer-lasting civil disobedience,” said Narges Bajoghli, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist who studies Iran. “Given that half the population must veil, this issue cuts across class, ethnicity and social position.”

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    The problem?

                                    Don't kill yourself without taking a half-dozen bastards with you.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-mother-kills-herself-after-security-forces-beat-daughter-to-death/ar-AA12NdvR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cb9c901bf8594e5aab6ed9dc9bec41df

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-protests-are-proving-a-durable-challenge-to-the-islamic-republic-11665319812

                                      Three weeks after antigovernment protests erupted across Iran—sparked by the death of a woman detained for allegedly violating the country’s strict Islamic dress code—the movement has proved more durable than previous challenges to Tehran’s leaders and could pose a continuing threat.

                                      Students across the country rallied outside universities on Sunday, chanting slogans including “death to the dictator,” and schoolgirls marched in the streets of Tehran waving their veils in the air, a gesture that has become a central expression of dissent. The governor of Kurdistan province on Sunday ordered universities closed, likely to avoid more protests. Stores across the country stayed closed as part of a widening strike of shopkeepers.

                                      The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said. But the deep disaffection they represent and the fact that they target a key pillar of the Islamic Republic and its foundational ideology make them a significant test.

                                      Since the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman taken into custody by Iran’s morality police in September, protesters who initially focused on women’s rights have broadened their aims, calling for more freedom in life and politics and the ouster of the country’s Islamic leadership.

                                      At the heart of the protests is the Islamic head covering, or hijab, which has been mandatory for Iranian women since 1983, four years after the Islamic Revolution that brought the Islamic clerics to power.

                                      “This moment is significant because it has unleashed the potential for longer-lasting civil disobedience,” said Narges Bajoghli, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist who studies Iran. “Given that half the population must veil, this issue cuts across class, ethnicity and social position.”

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                                      @George-K said in In Iran:

                                      The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said

                                      Could surprise however. Who thought that Premier Ceaușescu would be drive from office. (Though I have read things that it really was not really a revolution, but a coup)

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        @George-K said in In Iran:

                                        The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said

                                        Could surprise however. Who thought that Premier Ceaușescu would be drive from office. (Though I have read things that it really was not really a revolution, but a coup)

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                                        @taiwan_girl

                                        All of the Warsaw Pact member states were tossing out their communists overlords at that time. Romania, the most Stalinist of them all after East Germany, was going to follow suit. When it came it was no surprise as it, along with Albania which was unique in it’s own Stalinist way, were among the very last hold outs.

                                        What is happening in Iran now is very different.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Mik
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                                          Romania is largely remembered more than the other former Warsaw Pact states because of the fate of the Ceausecus. .

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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