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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @Horace said in She’s gone.:

    But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

    You could say the same about the British monarchy.

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    Horace
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    #67

    @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

    @Horace said in She’s gone.:

    But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

    You could say the same about the British monarchy.

    I guess if you were unconcerned about making sense, you could say that.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

      But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

      You could say the same about the British monarchy.

      I guess if you were unconcerned about making sense, you could say that.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      #68

      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

      But if you wanted to boil down their success to a single overriding factor, it would be that they are smart within the profitable domains they choose to compete in.

      You could say the same about the British monarchy.

      I guess if you were unconcerned about making sense, you could say that.

      The Queen's success was based on her overwhelming popularity. That didn't just happen.

      And they're not rich because of the money they get as the monarchy.

      I was only joking

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        Renauda
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        #69

        As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:

        https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

        At the local level in Alberta:

        https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/queen-elizabeth-alberta-legislature-1.6576911

        I suspect similar protocols and procedures are also initiated in Australia and New Zealand.

        Elbows up!

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          Copper
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          #70

          Equity means everyone is just as smart as everyone else.

          And everyone works just as hard as everyone else.

          And everyone should have the same rewards and electric vehicles as everyone else.

          You haters will never understand.

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:

            https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

            At the local level in Alberta:

            https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/queen-elizabeth-alberta-legislature-1.6576911

            I suspect similar protocols and procedures are also initiated in Australia and New Zealand.

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            Catseye3
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            #71

            @Renauda said in She’s gone.:

            As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:
            https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

            Thanks, Renauda. Has the government announced yet what the mourning period will be?

            A click from that article takes you to "Charles as King: What kind of monarch will he be?" An excerpt:

            "It was a question that haunted the new King for decades: Just what kind of monarch would Charles be?

            "It's a tricky question, getting to the fundamental role of the one who wears the crown. To what extent could — or should — that individual share opinions? What about involvement in affairs of state? Or politics?

            "That has been a perpetual worry with Charles, whose activism as Prince of Wales in areas as diverse as architecture, organic farming and global warming has been seen by some as ahead of its time, but also left many wondering how he would reign.

            "As he turned 70 in 2018, Charles addressed the issue head on, telling the BBC he understood he would have to act differently once he became King.

            "I'm not that stupid," he said when asked if his public campaigning would continue after he succeeds his mother. "I do realize that it is a separate exercise being sovereign, so of course I understand entirely how that should operate."

            Well, that's good, Your Majesty. It's good to realize things.

            I'd say more, but I realize even Charles knows more about being a monarch than I do.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #72

              An interesting point about the monarch - in theory they have no power, and they're not allowed to vote. However, for the last 70 years the Queen has met privately with the Prime Minister every week, going back to Churchill. That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

              I was only joking

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                Catseye3
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                #73

                Another regret I have over the Queen's death: Now I'll never be able to ask her why, why, why she hung those awful black purse and shoes on that pretty pink dress.

                Sigh.

                Always loved her hats, though.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                  @Renauda said in She’s gone.:

                  As an aside, what Elizabeth II’s passing sets into motion in Canada:
                  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-plan-queen-elizabeth-death-1.6575741

                  Thanks, Renauda. Has the government announced yet what the mourning period will be?

                  A click from that article takes you to "Charles as King: What kind of monarch will he be?" An excerpt:

                  "It was a question that haunted the new King for decades: Just what kind of monarch would Charles be?

                  "It's a tricky question, getting to the fundamental role of the one who wears the crown. To what extent could — or should — that individual share opinions? What about involvement in affairs of state? Or politics?

                  "That has been a perpetual worry with Charles, whose activism as Prince of Wales in areas as diverse as architecture, organic farming and global warming has been seen by some as ahead of its time, but also left many wondering how he would reign.

                  "As he turned 70 in 2018, Charles addressed the issue head on, telling the BBC he understood he would have to act differently once he became King.

                  "I'm not that stupid," he said when asked if his public campaigning would continue after he succeeds his mother. "I do realize that it is a separate exercise being sovereign, so of course I understand entirely how that should operate."

                  Well, that's good, Your Majesty. It's good to realize things.

                  I'd say more, but I realize even Charles knows more about being a monarch than I do.

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                  Renauda
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                  #74

                  @Catseye3

                  My understanding is that official mourning will commence at sunset this evening when all flags on government buildings will be lowered to half mast. Today flags remain at top mast in proclamation of Charles III as King.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    An interesting point about the monarch - in theory they have no power, and they're not allowed to vote. However, for the last 70 years the Queen has met privately with the Prime Minister every week, going back to Churchill. That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

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                    Catseye3
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                    #75

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                    That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

                    That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                      That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

                      That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #76

                      @Catseye3 said in She’s gone.:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                      That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

                      That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

                      I think her value might be more in saying 'have you considered....' based on her experience.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                        That's a whole lot of experience and influence....

                        That's why I wonder if she didn't have a hand in things, even if in the form of a palace person at a social affair dropping a casual, "You know, Her Majesty agrees with your position, Minister. Just saying."

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                        Renauda
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                        #77

                        @Catseye3

                        The Queen normally had a weekly in camera meeting with the Prime Minister. There was no one else in attendance. What was discussed was exclusively between the two of them. No PM has ever divulged publicly what was discussed in these meetings other than in the most general terms.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #78

                          What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #79

                            @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                            What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                            If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                            I was only joking

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                              George K
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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                HoraceH Offline
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                                Horace
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                                #81

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                  @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                  What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                  If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                  They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                  #82

                                  @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                  @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                  What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                  If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                  They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                                  I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                    @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                    What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                    If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                    They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                                    I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                                    HoraceH Offline
                                    HoraceH Offline
                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #83

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                    @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                    @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                    What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                    If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                    They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                                    I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                                    In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in She’s gone.:

                                      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                      What a perfect opportunity to ascribe whatever importance to those meetings that one wants to.

                                      If there was no importance, they wouldn't have them.

                                      They could easily be vestigial. Why make a public display of ending the tradition? To whose benefit would that be?

                                      I'd guess the value and influence varied, depending on the particular Prime Minister, but you'd have to be a right clot not to at least listen to somebody with that level of experience.

                                      In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                      #84

                                      @Horace said in She’s gone.:

                                      In other contexts, for instance with senators or judges, most people seem to think the cons of long experience begin to outweigh the pros.

                                      Yeah, but your country is only like 40 years old. We understand the value of decrepitude.

                                      If you don't believe me, look at Joe Biden and Donald Trump!

                                      I was only joking

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

                                        The Brad

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          So England is kind of like a rudderless ship right now… Would make a great opportunity for a former colony to invade and put a true democracy in place…

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #86

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in She’s gone.:

                                          put a true democracy in place…

                                          Like which one?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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