Read 'em and Weep
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@Jolly, you may also like the author Trevo Craw's other article on how the Black Community can work to dismantle the police brutality machine:
https://thyblackman.com/2022/08/23/black-community-and-police-brutality-real-strategic-solutions/
@Axtremus said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly, you may also like the author Trevo Craw's other article on how the Black Community can work to dismantle the police brutality machine:
https://thyblackman.com/2022/08/23/black-community-and-police-brutality-real-strategic-solutions/
Well, he certainly has strong and forthright opinions.
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@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Yes, a lot of the world does, but besides that, point out to me where he says women must stay home.
Oh come off it, Jolly. We all know what he's saying.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Yes, a lot of the world does, but besides that, point out to me where he says women must stay home.
Oh come off it, Jolly. We all know what he's saying.
No, you don't. And you're infuriated that you can't refute that simple point.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Yes, a lot of the world does, but besides that, point out to me where he says women must stay home.
Oh come off it, Jolly. We all know what he's saying.
No, you don't. And you're infuriated that you can't refute that simple point.
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Yes, a lot of the world does, but besides that, point out to me where he says women must stay home.
Oh come off it, Jolly. We all know what he's saying.
No, you don't. And you're infuriated that you can't refute that simple point.
Infuriation (a word I just invented, incidentally), doesn't even begin to cover it.
SOMEBODY JUST POSTED SOMETHING STUPID ON THE INTERNET!!!!
WHO WILL SAVE US?
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More annoyingly, I just Googled "infuriation", and apparently it's a word.
I was only joking
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@Jolly, you may also like the author Trevo Craw's other article on how the Black Community can work to dismantle the police brutality machine:
https://thyblackman.com/2022/08/23/black-community-and-police-brutality-real-strategic-solutions/
@Axtremus said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly, you may also like the author Trevo Craw's other article on how the Black Community can work to dismantle the police brutality machine:
https://thyblackman.com/2022/08/23/black-community-and-police-brutality-real-strategic-solutions/
Actually, if you read the article, he makes a few good points.
One is about the power of police. Guys on my side of the political fence worry about militarization of police...If you've read anything I've written about no-knock warrants, SWAT for simple arrests, etc., you know I consider some of that bad police work. The author also points out sweeping some police abuse cases under the rug - that's also a known problem.
Mik makes the ultimate point...Much of the problem is cultural.
Which is much of the problem in the initial article, don't you think?
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More annoyingly, I just Googled "infuriation", and apparently it's a word.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
More annoyingly, I just Googled "infuriation", and apparently it's a word.
It's what the Greek furys do when when they loose control.
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Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
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Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
Funnily enough, Mrs. Phibes has looked after our kids their whole lives, and hasn't worked other than part-time work a few years back. It was her choice, and we made a number of sacrifices on that basis.
The point isn't whether somebody does it or not. It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
The way he talks about women is pretty creepy, if you ask me. Feel free to disagree, but he's still pretty creepy.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
Funnily enough, Mrs. Phibes has looked after our kids their whole lives, and hasn't worked other than part-time work a few years back. It was her choice, and we made a number of sacrifices on that basis.
The point isn't whether somebody does it or not. It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
The way he talks about women is pretty creepy, if you ask me. Feel free to disagree, but he's still pretty creepy.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
The way he talks about women is pretty creepy,
You want creepy talk about women's roles? Watch Under the Banner of Heaven about the Mormons in 1984. Yikes.
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@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
Funnily enough, Mrs. Phibes has looked after our kids their whole lives, and hasn't worked other than part-time work a few years back. It was her choice, and we made a number of sacrifices on that basis.
The point isn't whether somebody does it or not. It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
The way he talks about women is pretty creepy, if you ask me. Feel free to disagree, but he's still pretty creepy.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
Low-EQ religious nuts are pretty good at this.
"As long as I recite what I think Jesus meant, I get a free pass on how I treat people."
They're best ignored.
Please love yourself.
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@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
Funnily enough, Mrs. Phibes has looked after our kids their whole lives, and hasn't worked other than part-time work a few years back. It was her choice, and we made a number of sacrifices on that basis.
The point isn't whether somebody does it or not. It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
The way he talks about women is pretty creepy, if you ask me. Feel free to disagree, but he's still pretty creepy.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
Ignoring the somewhat bizarre and extreme nature of what he's saying, what I did notice about both articles is that he seems to be blaming the problems on groups which he doesn't belong to. He's saying that the police are pretty much responsible for all the violence, and the wimminz are shouldering much of the blame for not knowing their place.
He uses the phrase 'getting the mote of your own eye first', and then proceeds to blame everybody else.
In the first article, you may find that bizarre, but it used to be a common way of life. It's still not uncommon down here.
And if finances permit, it actually makes for a pretty decent home life.
Of course, that's not the only thing mentioned in the piece...
Funnily enough, Mrs. Phibes has looked after our kids their whole lives, and hasn't worked other than part-time work a few years back. It was her choice, and we made a number of sacrifices on that basis.
The point isn't whether somebody does it or not. It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
The way he talks about women is pretty creepy, if you ask me. Feel free to disagree, but he's still pretty creepy.
I don't find it creepy, I find it Biblical. It lays out tasks and and responsibilities. The husband is tasked to be the provider. He should provide for his family's needs. In return, the woman also has her tasks and responsibilities. She is tasked to be the "help meet" of the family.
According to the author, neither should allow the lusts of the eyes, the lusts of the flesh nor the pride of life to undercut the role of either.
The author also talks about the introduction of debt into a marriage and who is responsible for it. He goes on to talk about frugality and eradication of debt within a home, which both husband and wife have part in accomplishing.
And he makes another statement, which many might disagree with, but can certainly wreck a home...If a woman wants or feels like she needs to work outside of her home, it should be a joint decision of husband and wife.
Lastly, the article is written for everybody, but I feel it has a certain emphasis for the black community and the dissolution of the black family.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
Low-EQ religious nuts are pretty good at this.
"As long as I recite what I think Jesus meant, I get a free pass on how I treat people."
They're best ignored.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
Low-EQ religious nuts are pretty good at this.
"As long as I recite what I think Jesus meant, I get a free pass on how I treat people."
They're best ignored.
Yep, only religious nuts read the Bible.
I suggest as a Christian you read the Bible, in context, of course. You can argue with it, but the Scriptures are pretty plain on the delineation of marital roles. You may find otherwise, but the Bible provides a pretty good roadmap for a successful and fruitful life.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
Low-EQ religious nuts are pretty good at this.
"As long as I recite what I think Jesus meant, I get a free pass on how I treat people."
They're best ignored.
Yep, only religious nuts read the Bible.
I suggest as a Christian you read the Bible, in context, of course. You can argue with it, but the Scriptures are pretty plain on the delineation of marital roles. You may find otherwise, but the Bible provides a pretty good roadmap for a successful and fruitful life.
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Read 'em and Weep:
It's about some guy, or bunch of guys, telling people how to live.
Low-EQ religious nuts are pretty good at this.
"As long as I recite what I think Jesus meant, I get a free pass on how I treat people."
They're best ignored.
Yep, only religious nuts read the Bible.
I suggest as a Christian you read the Bible, in context, of course. You can argue with it, but the Scriptures are pretty plain on the delineation of marital roles. You may find otherwise, but the Bible provides a pretty good roadmap for a successful and fruitful life.
Reading the Bible, using scripture to establish marital roles, and living a Christian lifestyle is all fine by me. I've no problem with any of that.
But, I'd also say that anyone who thought that quoting scripture to me granted them the right to inject themselves as my marriage counselor could kindly fuck right off.
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The writer of the article is a marriage counselor.
And whether you'd like for them to fuck off or not, I think it does most folks good to hear a little Bible. One should never take what somebody else quotes as gospel, but should take those quotes and look at them for their own education and edification.
As Americans, we tend to have a pretty intense dislike for authority, but authority is not always bad. That's why I quoted Judges. Without some type of authority, man dissolves into anarchy, which is unstable and without justice.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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The writer of the article is a marriage counselor.
And whether you'd like for them to fuck off or not, I think it does most folks good to hear a little Bible. One should never take what somebody else quotes as gospel, but should take those quotes and look at them for their own education and edification.
As Americans, we tend to have a pretty intense dislike for authority, but authority is not always bad. That's why I quoted Judges. Without some type of authority, man dissolves into anarchy, which is unstable and without justice.
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
The writer of the article is a marriage counselor.
He's not mine.
And whether you'd like for them to fuck off or not, I think it does most folks good to hear a little Bible. One should never take what somebody else quotes as gospel, but should take those quotes and look at them for their own education and edification.
Here's my rule: I'll gladly take advice, either supportive or critical, from people who (1) know enough about me to accurately assess where I'm at, and (2) want me specifically—not humanity generally, but me specifically—to succeed.
He doesn't know me. So he's 0 for 2.
As Americans, we tend to have a pretty intense dislike for authority, but authority is not always bad. That's why I quoted Judges. Without some type of authority, man dissolves into anarchy, which is unstable and without justice.
I've no problem with that as a principle. But in terms of my own life, this guy's not an authority. So, sorry, when it comes to his sermonizing, I'll make up my own mind about what I think I should consider or ignore. And he'll take no part in my attempt to understand God's intentions.
Please love yourself.
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Read the article, folks.
It's written from a Biblical perspective, but there is a lot of common sense in there. A large part of why so
much of society is in turmoil, is because people have no sense of place. Not in gender, not in desired behavior, not in relationships, not in families and not in responsibilities.As was written in Judges... In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
That's a recipe for disaster.
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Read the article, folks.
I read it. I found it patronizing; it was difficult to get past the finger wagging.
It's written from a Biblical perspective, but there is a lot of common sense in there.
Why the “but”? Does the Biblical perspective normally lack common sense?
A large part of why so much of society is in turmoil, is because people have no sense of place.
Perhaps going back to an agrarian society with a feudal monarchical system of governance would cure that. People certainly knew their place then. After all, when the Bible was written it was a time when agriculture was a society’s economic driver and kings ruled the land and people. No feudalism mind you, that came later and was still quite consustent with Biblical teachings.
I take it then you do not subscribe to the libertarian views of Thomas Paine or, say, Rand Paul.
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@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Read the article, folks.
I read it. I found it patronizing; it was difficult to get past the finger wagging.
It's written from a Biblical perspective, but there is a lot of common sense in there.
Why the “but”? Does the Biblical perspective normally lack common sense?
A large part of why so much of society is in turmoil, is because people have no sense of place.
Perhaps going back to an agrarian society with a feudal monarchical system of governance would cure that. People certainly knew their place then. After all, when the Bible was written it was a time when agriculture was a society’s economic driver and kings ruled the land and people. No feudalism mind you, that came later and was still quite consustent with Biblical teachings.
I take it then you do not subscribe to the libertarian views of Thomas Paine or, say, Rand Paul.
@Renauda said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Read the article, folks.
I read it. I found it patronizing; it was difficult to get past the finger wagging.
It's written from a Biblical perspective, but there is a lot of common sense in there.
Why the “but”? Does the Biblical perspective normally lack common sense?
A large part of why so much of society is in turmoil, is because people have no sense of place.
Perhaps going back to an agrarian society with a feudal monarchical system of governance would cure that. People certainly knew their place then. After all, when the Bible was written it was a time when agriculture was a society’s economic driver and kings ruled the land and people. No feudalism mind you, that came later and was still quite consustent with Biblical teachings.
I take it then you do not subscribe to the libertarian views of Thomas Paine or, say, Rand Paul.
Human nature is the same in ancient Egypt, Israel in Jesus' day and in modern day America. Those words in red or those letters to the early church are just as valid as they were thousands of years ago.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
The writer of the article is a marriage counselor.
He's not mine.
And whether you'd like for them to fuck off or not, I think it does most folks good to hear a little Bible. One should never take what somebody else quotes as gospel, but should take those quotes and look at them for their own education and edification.
Here's my rule: I'll gladly take advice, either supportive or critical, from people who (1) know enough about me to accurately assess where I'm at, and (2) want me specifically—not humanity generally, but me specifically—to succeed.
He doesn't know me. So he's 0 for 2.
As Americans, we tend to have a pretty intense dislike for authority, but authority is not always bad. That's why I quoted Judges. Without some type of authority, man dissolves into anarchy, which is unstable and without justice.
I've no problem with that as a principle. But in terms of my own life, this guy's not an authority. So, sorry, when it comes to his sermonizing, I'll make up my own mind about what I think I should consider or ignore. And he'll take no part in my attempt to understand God's intentions.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
The writer of the article is a marriage counselor.
He's not mine.
And whether you'd like for them to fuck off or not, I think it does most folks good to hear a little Bible. One should never take what somebody else quotes as gospel, but should take those quotes and look at them for their own education and edification.
Here's my rule: I'll gladly take advice, either supportive or critical, from people who (1) know enough about me to accurately assess where I'm at, and (2) want me specifically—not humanity generally, but me specifically—to succeed.
He doesn't know me. So he's 0 for 2.
As Americans, we tend to have a pretty intense dislike for authority, but authority is not always bad. That's why I quoted Judges. Without some type of authority, man dissolves into anarchy, which is unstable and without justice.
I've no problem with that as a principle. But in terms of my own life, this guy's not an authority. So, sorry, when it comes to his sermonizing, I'll make up my own mind about what I think I should consider or ignore. And he'll take no part in my attempt to understand God's intentions.
The guy may not be your authority, but the Bible is, just as Jesus is the ultimate authority.
Now, you can certainly nibble around the edges of the author's argument. In fact, I encourage you to. Take his cited Scripture and read it in context. Then see if you can find where he's wrong or where Scripture is not clear or contradicts itself.
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@Renauda said in Read 'em and Weep:
@Jolly said in Read 'em and Weep:
Read the article, folks.
I read it. I found it patronizing; it was difficult to get past the finger wagging.
It's written from a Biblical perspective, but there is a lot of common sense in there.
Why the “but”? Does the Biblical perspective normally lack common sense?
A large part of why so much of society is in turmoil, is because people have no sense of place.
Perhaps going back to an agrarian society with a feudal monarchical system of governance would cure that. People certainly knew their place then. After all, when the Bible was written it was a time when agriculture was a society’s economic driver and kings ruled the land and people. No feudalism mind you, that came later and was still quite consustent with Biblical teachings.
I take it then you do not subscribe to the libertarian views of Thomas Paine or, say, Rand Paul.
Human nature is the same in ancient Egypt, Israel in Jesus' day and in modern day America. Those words in red or those letters to the early church are just as valid as they were thousands of years ago.
Human nature may very well be intrinsically the same as it was in antiquity however many of the cultures and societies are quite different today than in ancient Egypt or when Jesus lived. Not saying there are no valuable lessons to be learned from studying the wisdom of the ancients, but I am saying that not all the wisdom of the past can or should be taken as immutable truth or entirely relevant in the modern world.
