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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @Klaus said in Ok bike peeps:

    @jon-nyc Shimano Sora is a pretty low end group set. I'd go with an 105 group set at least. The first bike looks very overpriced to me. A decent AL bike with 105 components and disc brakes should be available for less than $1500.

    I'd agree with that. 105 componentry can last decades. Easy to fix, easy to upgrade.

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    @Aqua-Letifer said in Ok bike peeps:

    @Klaus said in Ok bike peeps:

    @jon-nyc Shimano Sora is a pretty low end group set. I'd go with an 105 group set at least. The first bike looks very overpriced to me. A decent AL bike with 105 components and disc brakes should be available for less than $1500.

    I'd agree with that. 105 componentry can last decades. Easy to fix, easy to upgrade.

    Aqua agrees with me on a bike-related issue 😳

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Is that still true post covid? All I’m hearing is how shimano is way backed up and road bikes are therefore harder to come by

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      #26

      @jon-nyc said in Ok bike peeps:

      Is that still true post covid? All I’m hearing is how shimano is way backed up and road bikes are therefore harder to come by

      Ok I wasnt quite right.

      https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bikes/endurance-bikes/endurace/al/endurace-8-disc/2854.html?dwvar_2854_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK%2FBU

      $2000 for an 105 road bike from Canyon. If you buy a similar bike at a local shop, it will be 20-40% more expensive.

      Your second offer doesn't sound so bad anymore.

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        He's got a fucking Bosie and he's worried about bicycle cost? Hmmph.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Go carbon fiber and don't look back.

          I prefer a SRAM vs Shimano group set. I have a AL Schimano 105 bike and I vastly prefer the ergonomics of the SRAM Force and Red components that I have on the carbon fiber bike.

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            #29

            Ignore what Mark said 🙂

            SRAM vs Shimano is mostly a matter of taste.

            The difference between Carbon Fiber and Aluminum isn't very big. A lot of $ for a marginal difference.

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            • KlausK Klaus

              Ignore what Mark said 🙂

              SRAM vs Shimano is mostly a matter of taste.

              The difference between Carbon Fiber and Aluminum isn't very big. A lot of $ for a marginal difference.

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              @Klaus said in Ok bike peeps:

              A lot of $ for a marginal difference.

              Sort of like pianos speakers, right?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Ignore what Klaus said. It's not about marginal differences. It's about having the lightest bike you can afford.

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                  mark
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                  Also, it might be a matter of "taste" but speaking from experience, SRAM shifts smoother and with less effort than Shimano 105.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #33

                    SRAM rival 22 v Shimano 105?

                    Are they equivalent?

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      SRAM rival 22 v Shimano 105?

                      Are they equivalent?

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                      @jon-nyc said in Ok bike peeps:

                      SRAM rival 22 v Shimano 105?

                      Are they equivalent?

                      They are "equivalent" in price. They typically categorize and compare them by price bracket.

                      Apex - Tiagra
                      Rival - 105
                      Force - Ultegra
                      Red - Dura-Ace

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                      • markM mark

                        @jon-nyc said in Ok bike peeps:

                        SRAM rival 22 v Shimano 105?

                        Are they equivalent?

                        They are "equivalent" in price. They typically categorize and compare them by price bracket.

                        Apex - Tiagra
                        Rival - 105
                        Force - Ultegra
                        Red - Dura-Ace

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                        @jon-nyc since I built my bike, I was free to mix and match components from Red and Force. I have the Red shifters, Front Derailleur, and Crankset. Force Rear Derailleur and gearset. My brakes are from a completely different company as I found lighter, less expensive brakes than either Red or Force. They cost the same as Force if I remember correctly but they were significantly lighter in weight.

                        Force would be my pre-built bike sweet spot.

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                        • KlausK Klaus

                          Ignore what Mark said 🙂

                          SRAM vs Shimano is mostly a matter of taste.

                          The difference between Carbon Fiber and Aluminum isn't very big. A lot of $ for a marginal difference.

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                          @Klaus said in Ok bike peeps:

                          Ignore what Mark said 🙂

                          SRAM vs Shimano is mostly a matter of taste.

                          The difference between Carbon Fiber and Aluminum isn't very big. A lot of $ for a marginal difference.

                          When I bought my bike, I'd budgeted $2K, and I'd read in a number of places that for that money it was a choice between a very good quality aluminium frame and a low to mid-range carbon frame, and the difference in weight wasn't really that big a deal. There are more cost-effective ways to trim weight from the overall package - the weight of the rider for example 🙂

                          I opted for aluminium frame, and I've been happy with it. It came with carbon forks, which make for an easier ride.

                          I was only joking

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                            jon-nyc
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                            I think the bike dealers are right about pandemic issues. Nobody has anything with a Shimano 105 in stock at anywhere near 2500. Just higher end stuff

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              I think the bike dealers are right about pandemic issues. Nobody has anything with a Shimano 105 in stock at anywhere near 2500. Just higher end stuff

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                              @jon-nyc said in Ok bike peeps:

                              I think the bike dealers are right about pandemic issues. Nobody has anything with a Shimano 105 in stock at anywhere near 2500. Just higher end stuff

                              Would you consider buying direct instead of from a dealer?

                              Which frame size do you need? (it's easy to calculate from the distance of the floor to your balls , if you don't know it).

                              This German manufacturer is quite good - one of my bikes is from them. They have an aluminium 105 bike with disc brakes for 1850 Euro. They ship to the US for 250 Euro, and they ship most sizes within two weeks.

                              https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-pro-sl-disc-105-2696850?product_shape=matt+silvergrey&article_size=57cm

                              If disc brakes are not that important to you (for instance, if you don't drive much in the rain), you could also consider the rim brake version, which also has 105 components but costs just 1400. That's a very decent bike for a small price.

                              https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-pro-sl-105-2696848?product_shape=mandarin+red

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #39

                                I have a event on 9/24-9/25 in the cape

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  #40

                                  I’m not even that worried about money. I’ll pay 2500-3000. There’s just no fucking inventory

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    I see. Maybe renting a bike while you wait for your "real" bike" would be an option?

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      I have a event on 9/24-9/25 in the cape

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                                      Klaus
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Ok bike peeps:

                                      I’m not even that worried about money. I’ll pay 2500-3000. There’s just no fucking inventory

                                      Why not buy the Giant for 2800, then? It looks decent enough.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        You’re right. That’s probably what I should do.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          You’re right. That’s probably what I should do.

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                                          @jon-nyc Get the Giant CF with 105.

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