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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

    Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

    Not “sudden” at all.
    If you have to believe either Bolton or, say, GW Bush, you believe GW Bush.
    But if you have to believe either Bolton or Trump, you should believe Bolton.

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    Jolly
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    #42

    @Axtremus said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

    @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

    Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

    Not “sudden” at all.
    If you have to believe either Bolton or, say, GW Bush, you believe GW Bush.
    But if you have to believe either Bolton or Trump, you should believe Bolton.

    As usual, the point flies five feet over your head...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • AxtremusA Away
      AxtremusA Away
      Axtremus
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      #43

      Trump called Bolton a “traitor.”
      Trump hired a “traitor” to be his national security adviser.

      Reflect a bit on that.
      You’ll see that Trump sucks monumentally at hiring good people.

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      • L Loki

        Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

        Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

        You can’t make this up.

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        jon-nyc
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        #44

        @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

        Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

        Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

        You can’t make this up.

        I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

        But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

        You were warned.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          Trump called Bolton a “traitor.”
          Trump hired a “traitor” to be his national security adviser.

          Reflect a bit on that.
          You’ll see that Trump sucks monumentally at hiring good people.

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          Larry
          wrote on last edited by
          #45

          @Axtremus said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

          Trump called Bolton a “traitor.”
          Trump hired a “traitor” to be his national security adviser.

          Reflect a bit on that.
          You’ll see that Trump sucks monumentally at hiring good people.

          Boy, you are seven kinds of stupid.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by
            #46

            If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

            I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

              I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

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              Loki
              wrote on last edited by Loki
              #47

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

              If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

              I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

              I think you just spoke for yourself.

              Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

              This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #48

                You honestly believe all the Obama haters would be criticising Bolton?

                I have a bridge for sale, if you're interested. One careful owner.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  You honestly believe all the Obama haters would be criticising Bolton?

                  I have a bridge for sale, if you're interested. One careful owner.

                  AxtremusA Away
                  AxtremusA Away
                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #49

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                  You honestly believe all the Obama haters would be criticising Bolton?

                  I have a bridge for sale, if you're interested. One careful owner.

                  And that one careful owner is a nice old lady who drives over the bridge only once a week to go to church.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                    You honestly believe all the Obama haters would be criticising Bolton?

                    I have a bridge for sale, if you're interested. One careful owner.

                    And that one careful owner is a nice old lady who drives over the bridge only once a week to go to church.

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                    L Offline
                    Loki
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #50

                    @Axtremus said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                    You honestly believe all the Obama haters would be criticising Bolton?

                    I have a bridge for sale, if you're interested. One careful owner.

                    And that one careful owner is a nice old lady who drives over the bridge only once a week to go to church.

                    Oh I feel so burned.

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                    • L Loki

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                      If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                      I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                      I think you just spoke for yourself.

                      Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                      This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #51

                      @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                      If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                      I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                      I think you just spoke for yourself.

                      Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                      This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                      It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                        If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                        I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                        I think you just spoke for yourself.

                        Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                        This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                        It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #52

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                        @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                        If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                        I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                        I think you just spoke for yourself.

                        Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                        This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                        It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                        Uh, no. And I mean that.

                        As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                          If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                          I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                          I think you just spoke for yourself.

                          Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                          This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                          It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #53

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                          @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                          If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                          I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                          I think you just spoke for yourself.

                          Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                          This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                          It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                          Forget the people and look at the ideology. They are polar opposites. If the leadership of the Republican party started pulling us in the direction of extremist views on the right, most all republicans would refuse to go along with it. That's because the Right is by and large committed to a set of values. Politics or ideology must conform to those standards. The Left on the other hand are committed to an ideology. Their values shift depending on which direction the ideology takes. We are watching it happen as I speak. The Democrat Party is dead. All that remains of it is the name and the political machinery. It is now used as an umbrella tag covering dozens upon dozens of little special interest groups, and bound loosely together by a religion called Progressivism. The Left has no values, no principles. Those are supplied by the ideology, determined by the saints and apostles of the religion of Progressivism.

                          You're correct that the average Joe is as a person, pretty much the same regardless of political party. That ends once that I individual has to confront his ideological self. Then they become completely different animals.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                            Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

                            Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

                            You can’t make this up.

                            I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

                            But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #54

                            @jon-nyc said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                            @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                            Suddenly and out of nowhere we are compelled to #believebolton.

                            Please ignore everything we previously wrote about him.

                            You can’t make this up.

                            I never complained about his honesty rather his extreme hawkish to the point of trigger-happy foreign policy views. Trump came around to my view eventually.

                            But to your question, who do you think is more trustworthy in his assessment of the conversations covered in the book, Trump or Bolton?

                            Bump for Loki.

                            You were warned.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                              I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                              I think you just spoke for yourself.

                              Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                              This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                              It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                              Uh, no. And I mean that.

                              As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #55

                              @Jolly said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                              If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                              I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                              I think you just spoke for yourself.

                              Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                              This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                              It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                              Uh, no. And I mean that.

                              As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                              Have you been reading Trump's Tweets?

                              I was only joking

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #56

                                In fairness, Jolly conceded the point about the wackos.

                                You were warned.

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  @Jolly said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                                  I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                                  I think you just spoke for yourself.

                                  Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                                  This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                                  It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                                  Uh, no. And I mean that.

                                  As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                                  Have you been reading Trump's Tweets?

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #57

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Loki said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump sues to block Bolton book:

                                  If Bolton was doing this after being fired by Obama, conservatives would be calling him a patriot.

                                  I know, none of them will ever admit it, but we all know it's true.

                                  I think you just spoke for yourself.

                                  Under today’s rules a person can be taken down for something they said twenty years ago, yet if they said things their entire life and suddenly said one thing that appealed to the convenience of a tribe they are lionized.

                                  This is the party of the “intellectuals”.

                                  It's just people being people. The idea that Republicans and Democrats are somehow fundamentally different is very quaint and all, and I'm sure it makes both groups feel better about themselves at 4 o'clock in the morning when they awaken screaming at the void that was once their soul, but they're just people.

                                  Uh, no. And I mean that.

                                  As a very general rule, the Dem 's belief system is based much more on "feelings". Not to say the Far Right doesn't generate its share of wackos, but I think you'll find a little more thought and a tad more logic in Republicans and many Independents.

                                  Have you been reading Trump's Tweets?

                                  Never look at what a politician says, look at what he does.

                                  Even his wife tells Trump he needs to back away from Twitterland.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    It should be expected that people will self-select into their political affiliation based on real differences. If real differences exist, no matter how minor, the split between the platforms of the two parties will gravitate towards those differences. The left being the side for movement and change, requires more social persuasion than the right, and that persuasion ends up being various shades of outright coercion rather than mere persuasion. I.e. enforced group-think, which we've been seeing all around us. Always using the good vs evil framing of every issue, with the understanding that evil people won't have an easy time of it in this life, socially or economically.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      #59

                                      For most normal/sane people, there's a spectrum of political thought, not just an A/B choice, and then defend party to the death.

                                      We need more choices.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        I think the Democratic party has some life left in it simply based on the fact that they put Joe Biden up rather than someone far more left. But it keeps moving further leftward all the time.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Much of that alleged black and white thinking is imposed on others unfairly. Many of us have difficulty distinguishing voting for the other side, from agreeing with everything and everybody on that side. Again that comes back to which sides requires more coerced group-think to keep itself coherent, and I think that's the left.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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