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Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney."

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  • HoraceH Online
    HoraceH Online
    Horace
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    It will be very interesting to see what her plans are after she loses. Being a principly anti-Trump demagogue is a heck of a long way from reputational suicide, and a heck of a long way from an objective sacrifice. She sacrificed her seat in WY, I'll grant that. But that could easily be a conscious exchange for something else.

    Education is extremely important.

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      George K
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      I commented on her in another thread. The way I see it, a representative's main job is to...represent the people who elected him/her.

      Though I admire the abstract idea of doing what said representative sees as "the right thing," it can come at a political cost. If you're not doing what the people want you to do, either find people who will support you, or step aside.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • HoraceH Online
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        Horace
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        It's just a matter of time before her ambitions become clear. I do not suspect she sees this as a hill she is dying on. I suspect she sees it as a springboard. She vigorously pursued the spotlight through all of this, and she is way more well known and well respected nationally than she ever was before the Trump stuff.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #6

          IIRC, her personal worth went up 600% while she's been in office. She'll be okay.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            I didn't think a representative is supposed to be an "average" of voter sentiment from her constituents.

            I thought it was the job of a representative to lay out their principles and how they would govern, then go and apply that to the work of law-making.

            The job of the representative is to be more informed than the voter and deliberate hard issues so the individual voter doesn't have to (or can't).

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              IIRC, her personal worth went up 600% while she's been in office. She'll be okay.

              HoraceH Online
              HoraceH Online
              Horace
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              @Jolly said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

              IIRC, her personal worth went up 600% while she's been in office. She'll be okay.

              If all she wanted was an idle wealthy life, I bet her daddy would have gladly given that to her. I suspect she needs status and prominence.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                Money don't hurt.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  Reich has struggled for relevance since the Obama administration left office. Hack.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                    #11

                    When it's Manchin, he's plowing his own furrow, a brave agent of common sense, blah blah blah.

                    When it's Cheney, she's a RINO and narcissist who dares to question the will of the people.

                    I don't really understand the difference, TBH. Maybe reading what people were saying about Winston Churchill in the 30's would be interesting.

                    I was only joking

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      Who says that?

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        When it's Manchin, he's plowing his own furrow, a brave agent of common sense, blah blah blah.

                        When it's Cheney, she's a RINO and narcissist who dares to question the will of the people.

                        I don't really understand the difference, TBH. Maybe reading what people were saying about Winston Churchill in the 30's would be interesting.

                        HoraceH Online
                        HoraceH Online
                        Horace
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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                        When it's Manchin, he's plowing his own furrow, a brave agent of common sense, blah blah blah.

                        When it's Cheney, she's a RINO and narcissist who dares to question the will of the people.

                        I don't really understand the difference, TBH. Maybe reading what people were saying about Winston Churchill in the 30's would be interesting.

                        Manchin can be triangulated by policy decisions. Cheney's mavericky "principles" are single-issue.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Who says that?

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #14

                          @Mik said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                          Who says that?

                          Sorry, I was riffing.

                          The exact phrase was "a despicable human being", and "worse than any Democrat".

                          Even the really bad ones!

                          I was only joking

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                          • MikM Away
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                            Mik
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                            I'm fine with her, although I think she got snookered into the 1/6 group.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              She conceded less than 10 minutes after the polls closed.

                              She got whomped.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • MikM Mik

                                I'm fine with her, although I think she got snookered into the 1/6 group.

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                                @Mik said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                I'm fine with her, although I think she got snookered into the 1/6 group.

                                I'm fine with both Manchin and Cheney. It makes a change for politicians to do something they actually believe in.

                                The assumption that she's in it for the money and fame, whereas Donald Trump is doing what is right for the country seems a little, well, what's a polite word for it?

                                I was only joking

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                                  You think Cheney is standing on principle?

                                  Bwhahahahahahaha!

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    You think Cheney is standing on principle?

                                    Bwhahahahahahaha!

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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    @Jolly said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                    You think Cheney is standing on principle?

                                    Bwhahahahahahaha!

                                    You apparently think that Trump is, which is way dumber.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      @Mik said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                      I'm fine with her, although I think she got snookered into the 1/6 group.

                                      I'm fine with both Manchin and Cheney. It makes a change for politicians to do something they actually believe in.

                                      The assumption that she's in it for the money and fame, whereas Donald Trump is doing what is right for the country seems a little, well, what's a polite word for it?

                                      HoraceH Online
                                      HoraceH Online
                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #20

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                      @Mik said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                      I'm fine with her, although I think she got snookered into the 1/6 group.

                                      I'm fine with both Manchin and Cheney. It makes a change for politicians to do something they actually believe in.

                                      The assumption that she's in it for the money and fame, whereas Donald Trump is doing what is right for the country seems a little, well, what's a polite word for it?

                                      I make no claims about Trump’s pure motives. But I could not be more skeptical of the notion that grandstanding about what a shitbag Trump is, is an act of heroism and courage and principle. That attitude in fact is all but prerequisite for a very broad set of social climbing objectives.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                        @Mik said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                        I'm fine with her, although I think she got snookered into the 1/6 group.

                                        I'm fine with both Manchin and Cheney. It makes a change for politicians to do something they actually believe in.

                                        The assumption that she's in it for the money and fame, whereas Donald Trump is doing what is right for the country seems a little, well, what's a polite word for it?

                                        I make no claims about Trump’s pure motives. But I could not be more skeptical of the notion that grandstanding about what a shitbag Trump is, is an act of heroism and courage and principle. That attitude in fact is all but prerequisite for a very broad set of social climbing objectives.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        @Horace said in Robert Reich: "In Praise of Liz Cheney.":

                                        But I could not be more skeptical of the notion that grandstanding about what a shitbag Trump is, is an act of heroism and courage and principle.

                                        I concede it does seem more like stating the obvious.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          Liz can now campaign in Fairfax. Maybe she can win there.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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