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Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

    My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

    So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

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    @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

    @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

    My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

    So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

    Don’t know. But I’ll be a little surprised if they fight it tomorrow.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

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      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

      Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

      Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

        Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

        Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

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        @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

        Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

        Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

        Problem for those hoping this marks the death knell of his political career. Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

          @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

          My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

          So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

          Don’t know. But I’ll be a little surprised if they fight it tomorrow.

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          jon-nyc
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          @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

          @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

          @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

          My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

          So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

          Don’t know. But I’ll be a little surprised if they fight it tomorrow.

          I would be too. It being made public is just a matter of time, and it’s hard to imagine them perceiving an advantage in a delay that would offset the optics of them fighting it.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

            My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

            So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

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            @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

            @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

            My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

            So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

            Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

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              I suspect that Trump is listening to his attorneys rather than Jon. At least, that's what I read in the news, that Trump was meeting with them. He's already said he would release it. I'm guessing their crafting whatever message they wish to accompany the document. Alternatively, they may be waiting to see what the affidavit says, before going public.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • IvorythumperI Ivorythumper

                @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

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                @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                  @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                  Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                  Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

                  Problem for those hoping this marks the death knell of his political career. Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

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                  @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                  ... Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                  Link to video

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                    Unlike you, Trump does have a sense of humor.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                      ... Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                      Link to video

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                      @Axtremus said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                      ... Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                      Link to video

                      One of the diagnostic criteria for TDS is belief in the literal truth of that.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                        So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                        Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                        They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                        So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                        Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                        They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

                        That's part of the question. Can they just release it and violate the seal without committing an act of contempt of court?

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          I suspect that Trump is listening to his attorneys rather than Jon. At least, that's what I read in the news, that Trump was meeting with them. He's already said he would release it. I'm guessing their crafting whatever message they wish to accompany the document. Alternatively, they may be waiting to see what the affidavit says, before going public.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @Jolly said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                          I suspect that Trump is listening to his attorneys rather than Jon. At least, that's what I read in the news, that Trump was meeting with them. He's already said he would release it. I'm guessing their crafting whatever message they wish to accompany the document. Alternatively, they may be waiting to see what the affidavit says, before going public.

                          I have not spoken to him, so there’s no possibility of him listening or not to me. But if the warrant is sufficiently damning, he probably wouldn’t even need to hear from a competent attorney to know not to release it.

                          That’s putting aside the fact that it would be quite out of character for him to hire a competent attorney

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • IvorythumperI Ivorythumper

                            @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                            @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                            @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                            @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                            My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                            So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                            Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                            They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

                            That's part of the question. Can they just release it and violate the seal without committing an act of contempt of court?

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @Ivorythumper yes they can for sure.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              Dunno, he seems like he's walked between raindrops, much to your exasperation...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Trump supports unsealing of search warrant

                                But late Thursday night, Trump in a social media post wrote, “Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unAmerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home ... I am going a step further by ENCOURAGING the immediate release of those documents, even though they have been drawn up by radical left Democrats and possible future political opponents.”

                                “Release the documents now!”

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  If he had information related to nuclear weapons, I’m pretty sure they are Chinese nuclear weapons.

                                  He obtained this information in a daring raid on Peking led by Mr. Trump and Tom Cruise.

                                  I don’t expect cnn to cover this story.

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                                    This seems like a roundabout admission that there were nuclear secrets at his house.

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                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      This seems like a roundabout admission that there were nuclear secrets at his house.

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                                      @jon-nyc "lawyer's", "Christofer..."

                                      LOL.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Link to PDF copy of the unsealed search warrant and property receipt:

                                        https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=22131380-trump-warrant-unsealed?responsive=1&ti

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                                          Link to PDF copy of the unsealed search warrant and property receipt:

                                          https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=22131380-trump-warrant-unsealed?responsive=1&ti

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                                          @Axtremus said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                          Link to PDF copy of the unsealed search warrant and property receipt:

                                          https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=22131380-trump-warrant-unsealed?responsive=1&ti

                                          Crickets?

                                          Education is extremely important.

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