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Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?

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      @jon-nyc that would be funny if it weren't for the documented history of the FBI altering documents to get Trump.

      (Clinesmith's license to practice law was reinstated today)

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        Nuclear secrets?

        If true that would answer the question posed by this thread.

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            It will be very interesting to see how Trump replies to the motion to unseal.

            Does he fight it? That wouldn’t be a very good look.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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              My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

              Education is extremely important.

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                My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

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                @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                  My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                  So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

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                  @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                  @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                  My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                  So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                  Don’t know. But I’ll be a little surprised if they fight it tomorrow.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

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                    @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                    Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                    Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                      Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                      Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

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                      @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                      Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                      Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

                      Problem for those hoping this marks the death knell of his political career. Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                        So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                        Don’t know. But I’ll be a little surprised if they fight it tomorrow.

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                        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                        My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                        So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                        Don’t know. But I’ll be a little surprised if they fight it tomorrow.

                        I would be too. It being made public is just a matter of time, and it’s hard to imagine them perceiving an advantage in a delay that would offset the optics of them fighting it.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                          My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                          So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

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                          @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                          @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                          My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                          So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                          Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

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                            I suspect that Trump is listening to his attorneys rather than Jon. At least, that's what I read in the news, that Trump was meeting with them. He's already said he would release it. I'm guessing their crafting whatever message they wish to accompany the document. Alternatively, they may be waiting to see what the affidavit says, before going public.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                              @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                              My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                              So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                              Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

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                              @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                              @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                              @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                              My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                              So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                              Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                              They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                                Problem for whom? Does the statute in question require the establishment of motive?

                                Problem for those hoping this marks the death knell of his political career. Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

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                                @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                ... Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                                Link to video

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                                  Unlike you, Trump does have a sense of humor.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                    ... Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                                    Link to video

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                                    @Axtremus said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                    @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                    ... Contrary to popular belief, I suspect there are enough swing votes at play that a red handed Trump caught dirty dealing government secrets would destroy him for 2024.

                                    Link to video

                                    One of the diagnostic criteria for TDS is belief in the literal truth of that.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                                      So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                                      Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                                      They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                      My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                                      So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                                      Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                                      They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

                                      That's part of the question. Can they just release it and violate the seal without committing an act of contempt of court?

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                                        I suspect that Trump is listening to his attorneys rather than Jon. At least, that's what I read in the news, that Trump was meeting with them. He's already said he would release it. I'm guessing their crafting whatever message they wish to accompany the document. Alternatively, they may be waiting to see what the affidavit says, before going public.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        @Jolly said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                        I suspect that Trump is listening to his attorneys rather than Jon. At least, that's what I read in the news, that Trump was meeting with them. He's already said he would release it. I'm guessing their crafting whatever message they wish to accompany the document. Alternatively, they may be waiting to see what the affidavit says, before going public.

                                        I have not spoken to him, so there’s no possibility of him listening or not to me. But if the warrant is sufficiently damning, he probably wouldn’t even need to hear from a competent attorney to know not to release it.

                                        That’s putting aside the fact that it would be quite out of character for him to hire a competent attorney

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                                        • IvorythumperI Ivorythumper

                                          @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                          @Ivorythumper said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                          @Horace said in Why hasn’t team Trump released the warrant?:

                                          My guess is that “information related to nuclear weapons” is the most salacious phrase someone could concoct that has some stretchy connection to some part of the documents sought. Problem is that it doesn’t lend itself to criminal motive, short of a Lex Luthor sort of crime.

                                          So what’s your theory as to why Trump hasn’t released the warrant?

                                          Why would anyone petition to unseal a warrant against themselves, or why would they risk violating a court ordered public seal of a warrant? I don't know much about court ordered sealed warrants, but it seems that the seal would apply to all parties to not violate including the recipient.

                                          They could just release it. No need to petition anyone.

                                          That's part of the question. Can they just release it and violate the seal without committing an act of contempt of court?

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          @Ivorythumper yes they can for sure.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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