It does not add up
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I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
I was only joking
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Two things:
- I agree, teachers are woefully underpaid. Nothing new there. Sadly.
- Education is a screaming example of degree inflation. My daughter (who has a M.S. in education, with thesis) was talking today about the explosion of on-line master's degrees in education, most of them not worth a darn and even if they are, not needed in the vast majority of situations. But the system demands it...They like to see a doctorate for elementary school principals today. That is insane.
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I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
@Doctor-Phibes said in It does not add up:
I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
I agree with this. If the Master degree makes them a better teach, great. But I am not sure it does.
I do agree that in certain areas, teachers are underpaid, but to be the devil advocate, to equal their salary with someone not in teaching, you have to multiply by 12/9, since teachers do get a fair amount of time off in the US.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in It does not add up:
I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
I agree with this. If the Master degree makes them a better teach, great. But I am not sure it does.
I do agree that in certain areas, teachers are underpaid, but to be the devil advocate, to equal their salary with someone not in teaching, you have to multiply by 12/9, since teachers do get a fair amount of time off in the US.
@taiwan_girl said in It does not add up:
@Doctor-Phibes said in It does not add up:
I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
I agree with this. If the Master degree makes them a better teach, great. But I am not sure it does.
I do agree that in certain areas, teachers are underpaid, but to be the devil advocate, to equal their salary with someone not in teaching, you have to multiply by 12/9, since teachers do get a fair amount of time off in the US.
Go work in a classroom full of kids for 30 days and see how you like it.
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@taiwan_girl said in It does not add up:
@Doctor-Phibes said in It does not add up:
I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
I agree with this. If the Master degree makes them a better teach, great. But I am not sure it does.
I do agree that in certain areas, teachers are underpaid, but to be the devil advocate, to equal their salary with someone not in teaching, you have to multiply by 12/9, since teachers do get a fair amount of time off in the US.
Go work in a classroom full of kids for 30 days and see how you like it.
@Jolly said in It does not add up:
@taiwan_girl said in It does not add up:
@Doctor-Phibes said in It does not add up:
I’m not a big fan of the idea of automatically paying somebody more simply because they get another degree. You should get paid for what you do, not what your qualifications are.
That being said, teachers are woefully underpaid IMHO
I agree with this. If the Master degree makes them a better teach, great. But I am not sure it does.
I do agree that in certain areas, teachers are underpaid, but to be the devil advocate, to equal their salary with someone not in teaching, you have to multiply by 12/9, since teachers do get a fair amount of time off in the US.
Go work in a classroom full of kids for 30 days and see how you like it.
I have never worked so hard as my one year doing teacher-training. I shared a house with a guy doing a PhD in theoretical physics, and I worked way, way harder than he did. He told me he spent most of his time thinking. He used to borrow my snooker cue on his nightly thinking sessions.
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I personally know a teacher that has her Master’s Degree in Clarinet. She is currently a 3rd grade Music Appreciation Teacher. She’s been doing so for 15 years and with one extracurricular role added on after school, she is making six figures.
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The whole “teachers are underpaid” trope is just that. It’s something we hear so often that we just accept it. Some teachers ARE underpaid. Other teachers are vastly overpaid. It’s an individual situation that can vary district by district and teacher by teacher.
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The degree requirements for public school administrations has become ridiculous. I live in a district that requires a Doctorate for ES Principal…
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I personally know a teacher that has her Master’s Degree in Clarinet. She is currently a 3rd grade Music Appreciation Teacher. She’s been doing so for 15 years and with one extracurricular role added on after school, she is making six figures.
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The whole “teachers are underpaid” trope is just that. It’s something we hear so often that we just accept it. Some teachers ARE underpaid. Other teachers are vastly overpaid. It’s an individual situation that can vary district by district and teacher by teacher.
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The degree requirements for public school administrations has become ridiculous. I live in a district that requires a Doctorate for ES Principal…
@LuFins-Dad said in It does not add up:
I personally know a teacher that has her Master’s Degree in Clarinet. She is currently a 3rd grade Music Appreciation Teacher. She’s been doing so for 15 years and with one extracurricular role added on after school, she is making six figures.
Does she teach in a public school or a private school?
Does her “six figure” income all attributable solely to her school teacher job or does the “six figure” include other sources of income? -
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@LuFins-Dad said in It does not add up:
I personally know a teacher that has her Master’s Degree in Clarinet. She is currently a 3rd grade Music Appreciation Teacher. She’s been doing so for 15 years and with one extracurricular role added on after school, she is making six figures.
Does she teach in a public school or a private school?
Does her “six figure” income all attributable solely to her school teacher job or does the “six figure” include other sources of income?@Axtremus said in It does not add up:
@LuFins-Dad said in It does not add up:
I personally know a teacher that has her Master’s Degree in Clarinet. She is currently a 3rd grade Music Appreciation Teacher. She’s been doing so for 15 years and with one extracurricular role added on after school, she is making six figures.
Does she teach in a public school or a private school?
Does her “six figure” income all attributable solely to her school teacher job or does the “six figure” include other sources of income?Public. $94k salary and $7700 for an extracurricular role.
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Ain't nobody down here, except for the Superintendent of the district, making that kind of money. And he's got 23,000 students in the parish.
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Ain't nobody down here, except for the Superintendent of the district, making that kind of money. And he's got 23,000 students in the parish.
@Jolly said in It does not add up:
Ain't nobody down here, except for the Superintendent of the district, making that kind of money. And he's got 23,000 students in the parish.
Which is why I said you can’t just make blanket statements like “teachers are underpaid”.
I’m not saying that they aren’t underpaid where you are at, but the median teacher salary is over $60K, while the median individual salary is $54K. I have no problem with teachers making 10% over the average.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/03/school-teacher-shortage/
“America faces catastrophic teacher shortage”
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Didn't read the link, but I'm sure it varies from district to district.
Take DeSoto Parish as an example. They have their pick of teachers, even though they are adjacent to a much bigger district (Caddo). It's because they pay better and they don't have inner city schools.
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Thinking back on some of the San Francisco news...
Maybe one way to attract teachers would be to provide housing. Maybe a small development of three bedroom cottages, one and two bedroom townhouses, either in one location or scattered in two or three places within a district.
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Didn't read the link, but I'm sure it varies from district to district.
Take DeSoto Parish as an example. They have their pick of teachers, even though they are adjacent to a much bigger district (Caddo). It's because they pay better and they don't have inner city schools.
@Jolly said in It does not add up:
... but I'm sure it varies from district to district.
True, though the lack of systematic gathering/reporting of teacher demand/supply data in most states makes it nigh impossible to get a handle on where the shortages are.
