Dewey's post
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Dewey's post:
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
“Karma”
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@Axtremus said in Dewey's post:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Dewey's post:
Why is it freaking bears? And what does that have to do with calling someone baldy?
I'd point out that the bears didn't come after the kids on their Judgement Day. It happened after some miscreants mocked him.
What that tells me is that a big driver in our broken world is cause and effect. And sure, we're rational so we can understand simple devices like pulleys and levers, but not something so complicated as social consequences. Being a shithead to others (or, if you like, mocking God and his chosen) will have consequences far beyond your ability to game out in your head, often times with more severity than what you might think is appropriate. Some things that look like hell on earth are really calamities we brought upon ourselves. So be careful how you treat people/God's chosen/whatever else you'd like to tack on to that. Because the consequences aren't just found out on Judgement Day: they're all around you, all the time.
“Karma”
Not exactly. They didn't just mock any old dude on the street.
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@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
I like @dewey. He was also nice to me, was genuine, and seemed a person who has strong beliefs, which were generally quite opposite from Larry. I did not realize that he and Larry were once good friends.
One of the things that the forum board has done well is allow people to express their opinions. If someone has been wronged by someone, I have no problem with them speaking their thoughts and feelings.
Making accusations, including about the deceased’s belief in his religion? You have no problem with that? That surprises me TG.
It is not that I dont have a problem with it, but I can understand his frustration. Larry said some stuff to me that almost made me delete this forum board, and he said worst things to others. I ultimately figured Larry was just playing a internet character, and that he really was a big teddy bear. Keeping that in my mind, I just moved forward with that thinking. And, in the end, I think I got along "okay" with him.
I wasn't intending a referendum on your feelings about Larry. I was wondering about your feelings about a man of the cloth, a self described divinely touched True Believer, holding a grudge over online arguments, and claiming one of his old adversaries, soon after the man died, didn't believe in the religion they nominally share. That's the part that I was wondering whether you have a problem with.
I dont a problem with it. People react differently, and obviously Dewey had some pretty strong feelings about his interactions with Larry (most of which I probably dont know about). I dont know the Bible well (actually not at all LOL), so I dont know what it says about talking about someone after they die.
Not the way I would have reacted, but again, we are all different. I dont think that Larry cares, and if it helps Dewey move on, then it is good for him.
I have my own thoughts, feelings, and interactions with Larry and what Dewey wrote doesn't change that - either in a positive or negative sense. It also does not change my feeling about Dewey.
And lets be honest, if the situation were reversed, I do not think Larry would have been all lovey-dovey towards Dewey in a memory post.
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@taiwan_girl said in Dewey's post:
I dont a problem with it. People react differently, and obviously Dewey had some pretty strong feelings about his interactions with Larry (most of which I probably dont know about). I dont know the Bible well (actually not at all LOL), so I dont know what it says about talking about someone after they die.
It's about making a claim about someone else's belief, recently deceased or otherwise. While I'm sure it's the emotional truth of many that Larry was not a believer in Christianity, for Dewey to make that claim would be against the rules of how he's supposed to comport himself within that same faith. I am sure you have issues with people who don't practice what they preach, but in this case, you also know that Larry was mean, so the rules don't apply to him. That's nice.
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I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Yeah, but Dewey is apostate and he knows it. A lot of that smoke is a man trying to convince himself.
Larry? Fairly conservative, mainstream Southern Baptist. Extremely common down here.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Yeah, but Dewey is apostate and he knows it. A lot of that smoke is a man trying to convince himself.
One can attempt to convince oneself without explicitly breaking rules of behavior that are central to the issue to begin with.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
@Horace said in Dewey's post:
@Jolly said in Dewey's post:
I know Larry's theology better than any of you.
Period.
I also know his culture better than any of you.
Period.
Don't presume what you don't know. All you can go by is what you do know. Give me specifics and I'll give you answers, as best I can.
I don't think anybody was making any claims about Larry's theology. His belief was dismissed by Dewey, and that dismissal was brought up by me for examination.
Yeah, but Dewey is apostate and he knows it. A lot of that smoke is a man trying to convince himself.
One can attempt to convince oneself without explicitly breaking rules of behavior that are central to the issue to begin with.
I think it was Mik who talked about Larry being a mirror. Wise statement.
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People are all shitting on Dewey. I’ve never met him, but I’ve met somebody a number of times who I very much liked and who worked on charitable outreaches with him overseas, and she says he’s awesome. Good enough for me.
I couldn’t give a fuck whether he’s apostate or not, or gay, or whatever.
Analyzing his personal life and history? Ok, go right ahead. That’s the great thing about being perfect, right?
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Mik said in Dewey's post:
In fairness, Phibes, Dewey is the one that opened that door. I've mostly stayed out of it, as my issue with him is past history, but it's not quite fair for him to cast aspersions on Larry's faith and expect to be immune to scrutiny of his own.
I happen to think that what Larry and others said to Dewey once he strayed from the one true path was just horrible. I’m not surprised he was so hurt.
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
@Mik said in Dewey's post:
In fairness, Phibes, Dewey is the one that opened that door. I've mostly stayed out of it, as my issue with him is past history, but it's not quite fair for him to cast aspersions on Larry's faith and expect to be immune to scrutiny of his own.
I happen to think that what Larry and others said to Dewey once he strayed from the one true path was just horrible. I’m not surprised he was so hurt.
Right, and it's a test of character to react to that pain. He failed. That's how that worked.
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
No, it's not. It's not the same.
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I do. Very much.
I'll tell you why. Every man's path to Christ is his own, but the essentials are the same. The Roman Road, so to speak. And there are things open to interpretation, or we wouldn't have a myriad of denominations, some with minor disagreements, some with more major disagreements.
But what you dont do, is completely ignore what the Bible teaches, especially if that is taught in multiple places, within multiple books in OT and NT. You say all have fallen short of the Glory of God, and we are all sinners? Well, amen, brother! That's true.
We stumble, we fall, but we are commanded to get back up again and do the best we can, to work towards a higher state of Grace. What we are not told to do, is turn our backs on what we know is wrong, or worse, to joyfully engage in sinful behavior with no remorse and no intention of asking for forgiveness.
If you read the pastoral letters - I&II Timothy and Titus - you'll find that leaders within the church are held to a little higher standard. Not an impossible standard, but one that demands their best.
You don't put a drunk in the pulpit, or a man who cheats on his wife, beats his children, etc. The doors of the Church aren't closed to those folks, but they should never be placed in leadership. We had to show a deacon the door last year because of inappropriate behavior with a sixteen year-old girl. I'll pray for him, but he's not staying in any leadership position.
I'll not go item by item, but there are at least three things, probably four, that would keep Dewey out of the pulpit. And not to put words in his mouth, but we've knocked theological heads enough that I can say that Dewey does not believe in Biblical inerrancy, has a lot of trouble with the Pauline Letters and views the Bible as more of a suggestion book. Personally, I feel if you've dragged the Word down to that level, you don't have much Word.
It's written in the End of Days, that many shall bear false witness. That many preachers will engage in oratory for the purpose of tickling men's ears, not to try to actually win them to a Gospel that demands sacrifice, self-control, love for their fellow man and an attentive heart to God's Will, including the Judgement that awaits us all.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
They’re not here to defend themselves.
Yup, there is no way Dewey has seen this thread.
The Dewey vs Larry team has been trashing each other for years.
With Larry gone it is up to his friends to carry on.
Otherwise it would be too one-sided.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Dewey's post:
And discussing somebody over here who doesn’t post is just like discussing somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to defend themselves.
This thread is not the only time this has happened on one of our forums.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Shucks, most of our debate is pointless. It's our talent and strength!
