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How much energy?

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #6

    They come from a given viewpoint, but yeah, they are primarily informative and allow the viewer to reach their own conclusions.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      taiwan_girl
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      #7

      I think that the video does not mention is the advances in energy efficiency. For example, something like a refrigerator now uses about 4x LESS energy than just 20 years ago for the same cooling. I am sure that for a refrigerator 50 years ago, the energy usage is probably almost 100x less.

      I do agree that fossil fuel is not going away. Too much investment in "inter structure" etc It will decrease over time, but will be more of a slope than a cliff.

      I also agree with @mik Nuclear should be looked at more.

      (Funny, but I just read an article about the US Army and their attempts to use portable nuclear power on remote bases, the first time 60 years ago in Greenland

      https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/07/20/the-army-tried-portable-nuclear-power-at-remote-bases-60-years-ago-it-didnt-go-well/

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        I think that the video does not mention is the advances in energy efficiency. For example, something like a refrigerator now uses about 4x LESS energy than just 20 years ago for the same cooling. I am sure that for a refrigerator 50 years ago, the energy usage is probably almost 100x less.

        I do agree that fossil fuel is not going away. Too much investment in "inter structure" etc It will decrease over time, but will be more of a slope than a cliff.

        I also agree with @mik Nuclear should be looked at more.

        (Funny, but I just read an article about the US Army and their attempts to use portable nuclear power on remote bases, the first time 60 years ago in Greenland

        https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/07/20/the-army-tried-portable-nuclear-power-at-remote-bases-60-years-ago-it-didnt-go-well/

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        #8

        @taiwan_girl said in How much energy?:

        I think that the video does not mention is the advances in energy efficiency. For example, something like a refrigerator now uses about 4x LESS energy than just 20 years ago for the same cooling. I am sure that for a refrigerator 50 years ago, the energy usage is probably almost 100x less.

        I do agree that fossil fuel is not going away. Too much investment in "inter structure" etc It will decrease over time, but will be more of a slope than a cliff.

        I also agree with @mik Nuclear should be looked at more.

        (Funny, but I just read an article about the US Army and their attempts to use portable nuclear power on remote bases, the first time 60 years ago in Greenland

        https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/07/20/the-army-tried-portable-nuclear-power-at-remote-bases-60-years-ago-it-didnt-go-well/

        Problem is, how long does that refrigerator last?

        I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

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        • MikM Away
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          wrote on last edited by
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          And then you have to factor in the environmental impact of the raw materials, manufacturing and transportation of the multiple appliances that don't last too long, not just the cost to operate.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @taiwan_girl said in How much energy?:

            I think that the video does not mention is the advances in energy efficiency. For example, something like a refrigerator now uses about 4x LESS energy than just 20 years ago for the same cooling. I am sure that for a refrigerator 50 years ago, the energy usage is probably almost 100x less.

            I do agree that fossil fuel is not going away. Too much investment in "inter structure" etc It will decrease over time, but will be more of a slope than a cliff.

            I also agree with @mik Nuclear should be looked at more.

            (Funny, but I just read an article about the US Army and their attempts to use portable nuclear power on remote bases, the first time 60 years ago in Greenland

            https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/07/20/the-army-tried-portable-nuclear-power-at-remote-bases-60-years-ago-it-didnt-go-well/

            Problem is, how long does that refrigerator last?

            I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

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            @Jolly said in How much energy?:

            I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

            Brief aside...

            George to refrigerator repair guy: "What's the best refrigerator to buy?"

            Refrigerator repair guy: "Your mother's."

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              @Jolly said in How much energy?:

              I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

              Brief aside...

              George to refrigerator repair guy: "What's the best refrigerator to buy?"

              Refrigerator repair guy: "Your mother's."

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #11

              @George-K said in How much energy?:

              @Jolly said in How much energy?:

              I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

              Brief aside...

              George to refrigerator repair guy: "What's the best refrigerator to buy?"

              Refrigerator repair guy: "Your mother's."

              There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.

              I was only joking

              HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @George-K said in How much energy?:

                @Jolly said in How much energy?:

                I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

                Brief aside...

                George to refrigerator repair guy: "What's the best refrigerator to buy?"

                Refrigerator repair guy: "Your mother's."

                There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said in How much energy?:

                @George-K said in How much energy?:

                @Jolly said in How much energy?:

                I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

                Brief aside...

                George to refrigerator repair guy: "What's the best refrigerator to buy?"

                Refrigerator repair guy: "Your mother's."

                There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.

                Definitely not anything along the lines of a frigid ice box for sale.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  #13

                  The world will need 1.21 jigawatts of energy.

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                  • KlausK Klaus

                    The world will need 1.21 jigawatts of energy.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #14

                    @Klaus said in How much energy?:

                    The world will need 1.21 jigawatts of energy.

                    Jiggity.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @taiwan_girl said in How much energy?:

                      I think that the video does not mention is the advances in energy efficiency. For example, something like a refrigerator now uses about 4x LESS energy than just 20 years ago for the same cooling. I am sure that for a refrigerator 50 years ago, the energy usage is probably almost 100x less.

                      I do agree that fossil fuel is not going away. Too much investment in "inter structure" etc It will decrease over time, but will be more of a slope than a cliff.

                      I also agree with @mik Nuclear should be looked at more.

                      (Funny, but I just read an article about the US Army and their attempts to use portable nuclear power on remote bases, the first time 60 years ago in Greenland

                      https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/07/20/the-army-tried-portable-nuclear-power-at-remote-bases-60-years-ago-it-didnt-go-well/

                      Problem is, how long does that refrigerator last?

                      I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

                      taiwan_girlT Online
                      taiwan_girlT Online
                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      @Jolly said in How much energy?:

                      @taiwan_girl said in How much energy?:

                      I think that the video does not mention is the advances in energy efficiency. For example, something like a refrigerator now uses about 4x LESS energy than just 20 years ago for the same cooling. I am sure that for a refrigerator 50 years ago, the energy usage is probably almost 100x less.

                      I do agree that fossil fuel is not going away. Too much investment in "inter structure" etc It will decrease over time, but will be more of a slope than a cliff.

                      I also agree with @mik Nuclear should be looked at more.

                      (Funny, but I just read an article about the US Army and their attempts to use portable nuclear power on remote bases, the first time 60 years ago in Greenland

                      https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2021/07/20/the-army-tried-portable-nuclear-power-at-remote-bases-60-years-ago-it-didnt-go-well/

                      Problem is, how long does that refrigerator last?

                      I can show you multiple old refrigerators, 70 years old. Most people I talk to today, grumble about how short the life of a new frig is nowadays.

                      I agree, but I also think it would be possible to build a long lasting energy efficient refrigerator. Right now, the manufacturing/disposal/raw material means that a long lasting energy efficienct fridge would cost more and not too many people would buy it.

                      If for example, disposal costs increase by alot, then more incentive to build them to last longer.

                      I think that humans are good at adapting to what is needed.

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