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No filming of cops

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  • George KG George K

    @Aqua-Letifer said in No filming of cops:

    There are already laws on the books for that which have nothing to do with amendment rights.

    Understood. I'm only questioning the distance, not the action.

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    Catseye3
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    @George-K
    Agreed. I think I posted earlier that filming closer than eight feet would risk providing an inaccurate portrayal of events, anyway. Risking unjust verdicts for one or the other parties.

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    • George KG George K

      @Aqua-Letifer said in No filming of cops:

      There are already laws on the books for that which have nothing to do with amendment rights.

      Understood. I'm only questioning the distance, not the action.

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      Aqua Letifer
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      @George-K said in No filming of cops:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in No filming of cops:

      There are already laws on the books for that which have nothing to do with amendment rights.

      Understood. I'm only questioning the distance, not the action.

      Yeah, I think that's more or less fair. Should probably draw the line somewhere.

      Please love yourself.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @George-K said in No filming of cops:

        @Aqua-Letifer said in No filming of cops:

        There are already laws on the books for that which have nothing to do with amendment rights.

        Understood. I'm only questioning the distance, not the action.

        Yeah, I think that's more or less fair. Should probably draw the line somewhere.

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        @Aqua-Letifer said in No filming of cops:

        @George-K said in No filming of cops:

        @Aqua-Letifer said in No filming of cops:

        There are already laws on the books for that which have nothing to do with amendment rights.

        Understood. I'm only questioning the distance, not the action.

        Yeah, I think that's more or less fair. Should probably draw the line somewhere.

        8 ft, while subjective, seems 1) the video distance takes into account the context, without intrusion or obstruction; and
        2) 8' is a reasonably estimatable distance such that a cop can make a reasonable judgment of "too close". The further away someone is, the more difficult it is to judge distance so if it were say 12' or 20', it's harder to say of some is 11' or 13', 19' or 21' etc. This is not an incredible win for society, let alone 1st amendment rights or police accountability. Someone is going to get in a cop's face with a camera, and someone is going to get hurt.

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          #24

          I’m sure there are already laws in AZ that prevent bystanders from interfering with an arrest in progress. This was probably not aimed at that.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I’m sure there are already laws in AZ that prevent bystanders from interfering with an arrest in progress. This was probably not aimed at that.

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            @jon-nyc said in No filming of cops:

            I’m sure there are already laws in AZ that prevent bystanders from interfering with an arrest in progress. This was probably not aimed at that.

            So what do you think the 8 ft law was aimed at? It doesn't have an obvious chilling effect on bystanders filming cops, and I can't see anyone filming their own involuntary interaction with the police being prosecuted under that statute.

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            • IvorythumperI Ivorythumper

              @jon-nyc said in No filming of cops:

              I’m sure there are already laws in AZ that prevent bystanders from interfering with an arrest in progress. This was probably not aimed at that.

              So what do you think the 8 ft law was aimed at? It doesn't have an obvious chilling effect on bystanders filming cops, and I can't see anyone filming their own involuntary interaction with the police being prosecuted under that statute.

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              @Ivorythumper I don't know. Intelligible audio? Maybe it was a compromise that came out of a committee.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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