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The Devil's Laughter

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 01:35 last edited by
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    My experience is that whether or not a person claims to be religious does not have any relation to how good a person they are.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 02:18 last edited by
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      That's not the point.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        7 Jul 2022, 02:18

        That's not the point.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 14:18 last edited by
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        @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

        That's not the point.

        Maybe I am misunderstanding you. But I thought you were saying that there is not enough religion (or religious thought) in the upraising of kids.

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        • T taiwan_girl
          7 Jul 2022, 14:18

          @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

          That's not the point.

          Maybe I am misunderstanding you. But I thought you were saying that there is not enough religion (or religious thought) in the upraising of kids.

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          Jolly
          wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 14:44 last edited by
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          @taiwan_girl said in The Devil's Laughter:

          @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

          That's not the point.

          Maybe I am misunderstanding you. But I thought you were saying that there is not enough religion (or religious thought) in the upraising of kids.

          And what does that have to do with the statement you made?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • J Jolly
            7 Jul 2022, 14:44

            @taiwan_girl said in The Devil's Laughter:

            @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

            That's not the point.

            Maybe I am misunderstanding you. But I thought you were saying that there is not enough religion (or religious thought) in the upraising of kids.

            And what does that have to do with the statement you made?

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 15:07 last edited by
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            @Jolly Someone saying that they are religious does not seem to have an impact on how good a person they and how good they raise their kids.

            (Again, must my observation.)

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            • T taiwan_girl
              7 Jul 2022, 15:07

              @Jolly Someone saying that they are religious does not seem to have an impact on how good a person they and how good they raise their kids.

              (Again, must my observation.)

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              Jolly
              wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 15:09 last edited by
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              @taiwan_girl said in The Devil's Laughter:

              @Jolly Someone saying that they are religious does not seem to have an impact on how good a person they and how good they raise their kids.

              (Again, must my observation.)

              So, what do they base their morals and standards on?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J Jolly
                7 Jul 2022, 15:09

                @taiwan_girl said in The Devil's Laughter:

                @Jolly Someone saying that they are religious does not seem to have an impact on how good a person they and how good they raise their kids.

                (Again, must my observation.)

                So, what do they base their morals and standards on?

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 15:14 last edited by
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                @Jolly Common human decency. Be a good person. Treat others well.

                I dont think this is a religious thing.

                I dont think that a religion is needed to tell me that I shouldn't walk into a store and walk out not paying for things.

                Now, I agree that it is a big problem that common human decency is not being installed in a lot of kids today.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 15:18 last edited by
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                  Common human decency?

                  There is no such thing.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • J Jolly
                    7 Jul 2022, 15:18

                    Common human decency?

                    There is no such thing.

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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 15:26 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                    Common human decency?

                    There is no such thing.

                    Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

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                    • A Axtremus
                      7 Jul 2022, 15:26

                      @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                      Common human decency?

                      There is no such thing.

                      Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 16:29 last edited by
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                      @Axtremus said in The Devil's Laughter:

                      @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                      Common human decency?

                      There is no such thing.

                      Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

                      Nope...I think Jon is our most prominent atheist or agnostic, and he has a good mind. I remember something he said the other day about God-given rights...There ain't no such animal. We are similar to the beasts of field and plain and in most circumstances will revert back to might makes right and the Law of the Jungle. More subtle, perhaps, but true nonetheless.

                      Therefore, if that be true, man has no inherent decency. Most decency at a macro level is enforced by man-made law. And pretty much anywhere you go, law is codified morality and that morality is always descended from the predominant religion.

                      Given the opportnity at even the most basic level, the natural state of man is not peace, but war. War which will plunder resources and enslave other men. There's not much inherent decency in any of that, is it?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        7 Jul 2022, 15:26

                        @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                        Common human decency?

                        There is no such thing.

                        Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 16:31 last edited by
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                        @Axtremus said in The Devil's Laughter:

                        @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                        Common human decency?

                        There is no such thing.

                        Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

                        BTW, if you believe Genesis, Adam and Eve were created as immortal beings, free from sin...I suppose that will fit your definition of decency. For how lack of decency began, I invite you to read Genesis. It is the beginning, after all...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • J Jolly
                          7 Jul 2022, 16:31

                          @Axtremus said in The Devil's Laughter:

                          @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                          Common human decency?

                          There is no such thing.

                          Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

                          BTW, if you believe Genesis, Adam and Eve were created as immortal beings, free from sin...I suppose that will fit your definition of decency. For how lack of decency began, I invite you to read Genesis. It is the beginning, after all...

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 7 Jul 2022, 16:40 last edited by
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                          @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                          @Axtremus said in The Devil's Laughter:

                          @Jolly said in The Devil's Laughter:

                          Common human decency?

                          There is no such thing.

                          Hmmm ... maybe you can blame that rather unfortunate omission on whoever or whatever created the humans, if you are the sort who believe that humans were created.

                          BTW, if you believe Genesis, Adam and Eve were created as immortal beings, free from sin...I suppose that will fit your definition of decency. For how lack of decency began, I invite you to read Genesis. It is the beginning, after all...

                          If we're going to take things literally, you'd really think somebody with all that power would have better things to do than make up arbitrary rules about fruit.

                          I was only joking

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