Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Shall not be infringed.
I have always had great respect for that phrase. There is something so impassioned and unyielding about it; you can almost see the unbending set of the Founders' faces as they wrote the words, their pens practically gouging the surface: The line in the sand, this far and no further. Shall not.
But times change. Conditions change. And laws change as necessary. We can no longer afford to worship the Second as we have been. To be so obdurate about the language which if left in place will facilitate the very obvious continuum leading to more and more killings, is senseless and irrational. We must continue to take the Constitution very seriously -- more seriously than any other issue in the country, because when it goes, we really are screwed -- but we must face facts.
There is no other way. It is possible to alter the Second with reasonable add-ons that do not infringe. It is past time for us to acknowledge that 2022 is not 1791.
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@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Shall not be infringed.
I have always had great respect for that phrase. There is something so impassioned and unyielding about it; you can almost see the unbending set of the Founders' faces as they wrote the words: The line in the sand, this far and no further. Shall not.
But times change. And laws change as necessary. We can no longer afford to worship the Second as we have been. To be so obdurate about the language which if left in place will facilitate the very obvious continuum leading to more and more killings, is senseless and irrational. We must continue to take the Constitution very seriously -- more seriously than any other issue in the country, because when it goes, we really are screwed -- but we must face facts.
There is no other way. It is possible to alter the Second with reasonable add-ons that do not infringe. It is past time for us to acknowledge that 2022 is not 1791.
It's in the Constitution.
If you wish to alter it, there is a mechanism.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
It's in the Constitution.
If you wish to alter it, there is a mechanism.For christ sake, isn't that what I've been saying???
And yeah, there is a mechanism, which I have the feeling you and yours will fight tooth and claw every step of the way. So spare me your disingenuity.
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No, Jolly echoes my sentiments. It says what it says. if you don't like it, there's a mechanism to change it if that is what 38 states want. But you simply cannot do it by fiat.
Difficult you say? Certainly. Intentionally so. That is the genius of the Constitution.
"My pronouns are FA/FO." - Mik, 2024
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@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
It says what it says.
What, am I writing in Urdu??? Of course it can't be done by fiat, any more than for any other content of the Constitution. But we both know that the extremist pro-Second people will constitute an enormous obstacle to amending the Amendment. Everything is sweetness and light until specific suggestions are made such as TG's. Then all we hear is, "Well, there's problems with this, this, and this." Problems. Not sitting down and ironing out differences and coming to agreement, but right off the bat, problems.
The writing is on the wall.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
So, again, how does that happen?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
It says what it says.
What, am I writing in Urdu??? Of course it can't be done by fiat, any more than for any other content of the Constitution. But we both know that the extremist pro-Second people will constitute an enormous obstacle to amending the Amendment. Everything is sweetness and light until specific suggestions are made such as TG's. Then all we hear is, "Well, there's problems with this, this, and this." Problems. Not sitting down and ironing out differences and coming to agreement, but right off the bat, problems.
The writing is on the wall.
May I remind you, the NRA was talking about mental health and guns, back in the 1960's.
Didn't go anywhere, and it wasn't because of the gun lobby. Might want to ask yourself why...
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Looking for the why of younger mass shooters? So are the 'experts'.
"My pronouns are FA/FO." - Mik, 2024
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@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Looking for the why of younger mass shooters? So are the 'experts'.
You can buy a gun before you can buy alcohol.
Doesn't anybody else think this is a bit weird?
Yeah, yeah, I know, the genius of The Constitution. Maybe if Sam Adams had had more input.....
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
So, again, how does that happen?No, I won't be shoved into a corner where I don't want to go. By definition, extremists do not constitute the majority of the population. As for legislative support, who knows? Which position butters their bread? Are their constituencies urging action one way or the other? I don't know. The issue seemingly hasn't become noisy enough that they must address it.
The desire for reform of the Second is not in the air. Jeebus, the Kardashians have a wardrobe malfunction and it's all you hear about.
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@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
It says what it says.
What, am I writing in Urdu??? Of course it can't be done by fiat, any more than for any other content of the Constitution. But we both know that the extremist pro-Second people will constitute an enormous obstacle to amending the Amendment. Everything is sweetness and light until specific suggestions are made such as TG's. Then all we hear is, "Well, there's problems with this, this, and this." Problems. Not sitting down and ironing out differences and coming to agreement, but right off the bat, problems.
The writing is on the wall.
The reason for that is that any seriously restrictive measure that is taken only affects law abiding citizens. It doesn't touch criminals nor address the illegal gun market.
There is an argument to be made for mental health exclusions, red flag situations and age limits, and the recent legislation passed includes support for both those things.
But yeah, there are problems. In red flag scenarios the problem is for law enforcement. What cop wants to be the one to knock on the door to take away and imbalanced person's firearms? In many cases it will be peaceful, but not all of them. There will be cop and citizen deaths involved.
But... the steps taken, if implemented by the states, should have prevented the Highland Park shooter from getting weapons. It's a good step.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Jolly said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
BTW, was it ever determined if he was Antifa or a sympathizer?
The interviews I heard this morning indicated that he didn't seem to have a political ideology.
If he does have an ideological outlook I would wager it to be outta this world.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Mik said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
Looking for the why of younger mass shooters? So are the 'experts'.
You can buy a gun before you can buy alcohol.
Doesn't anybody else think this is a bit weird?
Yeah, yeah, I know, the genius of The Constitution. Maybe if Sam Adams had had more input.....
Not so down here. Maybe things are different in the NE?
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@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
High %of US population supports gun control
I have only linked to one poll, but a search will show that almost every poll (regardless of how conservative/liberal the poller is) shows that a pretty high majority of the US public supports gun control.
Is it the same for the legislators? Hmmm, not sure. Part of the problem with the gerrymander of districts is that often times, the legislators do not represent the majority view of their patients.
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@taiwan_girl said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@Catseye3 said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
@George-K said in Mass shooting at Highland Park 4th parade:
How, exactly, will that happen?
Well, why isn't reform happening now?
No, you mentioned "extremist pro-2A people constituting an obstacle." Are they in the majority of the population? Does the majority of legislators support them?
High %of US population supports gun control
I have only linked to one poll, but a search will show that almost every poll (regardless of how conservative/liberal the poller is) shows that a pretty high majority of the US public supports gun control.
Is it the same for the legislators? Hmmm, not sure. Part of the problem with the gerrymander of districts is that often times, the legislators do not represent the majority view of their patients.
Get me 38 states.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion.
