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[Jolly]

Well, Bless your heart.

[Horace]

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

@Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

etc etc

I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

There's a certain art to participating in political discussions. A preference for one candidate over the other actually says nothing about how much room for improvement one's favored candidate has, but that room for improvement is beside the point. What you interpret as "undying love" or "cult indoctrination" is people playing by the rules of a well-understood game, where you don't spend your time criticizing the team you hope will win. I suppose there might be a name for a political movement filled with intellectually honest public self-criticizers, but that name has long been lost to history, as that political party got beat in every election every time.

You don't participate in any political discussions here, so you are safe to criticize the manner in which participants conduct themselves. But if you ever do have an opinion on politics or culture wars, and you actually care, you will find yourself playing by the rules I described. And you will not feel yourself to be blindly indoctrinated into the side you chose.

[Larry]

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

@Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

@taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

Mike Pence - Vice President
Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
John Bolton - National Security Advisor
James Mattis - Secretary of War
John Kelly - Chief of Staff
Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
Gary Cohn - Economics Council
Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

Am I missing anyone?

Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

etc etc

I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

No, what you've done is typical leftwing "logic", where you make a derogatory claim that isn't true, state it as fact, and then if challenged, you defend it by digging up something close, take it out of context, and in this case, ignore the time in each person's life in which these statements were made. I could do the same and provide you with a list of quotes by these men where all of them are bragging on Trump like he's the Second Coming.

Every single person you listed was fired. Before they got fired, they each and every one bragged on Trump. You put together a list of sour grapes remarks made after getting their asses handed to them and think you've defended your statement - you haven't. What a man says after getting fired is useless. Not only is your list useless, you've had to admit that not a single one of them called Trump incompetent. Welcome to your corner.

[kluurs]

Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

[Mik]

I agree. And it worries me.

[Horace]

Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists', and the evil mastermind behind them, Donald Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

[Jolly]

@kluurs said in The hearings broadcast:

Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

Peggy jumped the shark fifteen years ago on what rank and file Republicans think.

[Jolly]

@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

[Horace]

@Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

At least you read fast. My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I spent several minutes wading through it.

[Axtremus]

@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

@Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

@Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

At least you read fast. My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I spent several minutes wading through it.

Easier to read if you can view the PDF directly without CNN website’s pathetic PDF reader widget.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22061497/jml-final.pdf

[Axtremus]

@kluurs said in The hearings broadcast:

Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. …

Thanks, that’s very nicely written.

[Axtremus]

Steve Bannon says he's willing to testify in front of the Jan. 6 committee, preferably publicly:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/steve-bannon-trump-january-6-executive-privilege/index.html

[George K]

The Oathkeepers guy said he'll testify as well. As long as it's live and unedited for broadcast.