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  • HoraceH Horace

    @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

    I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

    The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

    Mike Pence - Vice President
    Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
    Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
    John Bolton - National Security Advisor
    James Mattis - Secretary of War
    John Kelly - Chief of Staff
    Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
    Gary Cohn - Economics Council
    Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
    Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
    HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
    Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

    Am I missing anyone?

    Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

    The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

    You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

    taiwan_girlT Online
    taiwan_girlT Online
    taiwan_girl
    wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
    #102

    @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

    @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

    I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

    The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

    Mike Pence - Vice President
    Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
    Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
    John Bolton - National Security Advisor
    James Mattis - Secretary of War
    John Kelly - Chief of Staff
    Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
    Gary Cohn - Economics Council
    Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
    Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
    HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
    Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
    Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

    Am I missing anyone?

    Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

    The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

    You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

    Hmmm, there are about 30-40% of the people on the left who super dislike President Trump. BUT, there are an equal % of people on the right who have fallen under the spell of personality and have the right side equivalent of TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome).

    Those on the left say - "Who me? No I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

    Those on the right say - "Who me? No, I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

    HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
    • MikM Mik

      I might take that list a little more seriously if they got the titles anywhere near correct. There hasn’t been a secretary of war for at least 50 years and we’ve never had ministers of anything.

      Now take all the people who wrote books off that list.

      taiwan_girlT Online
      taiwan_girlT Online
      taiwan_girl
      wrote on last edited by
      #103

      @Mik said in The hearings broadcast:

      I might take that list a little more seriously if they got the titles anywhere near correct. There hasn’t been a secretary of war for at least 50 years and we’ve never had ministers of anything.

      Now take all the people who wrote books off that list.

      👋 It was me who put together the list! 555. I may have got the titles incorrect but I think you recognize the person I have listed. LOL

      Doesn't matter if they wrote a book or not. It amazes me the number of high level people (most quite respected) who, after working closely with President Trump, have basically indicated that he not very competent to be President.

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Gas prices, low inflation, tax cuts, low interest rates, booming economy, rebuilt military, rise in real wages, constitutional judges, securing the borders.

        If that's incompetent, for God's sake, let's do it again.

        taiwan_girlT Online
        taiwan_girlT Online
        taiwan_girl
        wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
        #104

        @Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

        Gas prices, low inflation, tax cuts, low interest rates, booming economy, rebuilt military, rise in real wages, constitutional judges, securing the borders.

        If that's incompetent, for God's sake, let's do it again.

        Sounds like you would have voted for President Obama if he could run for the third time. Seems to "check" most of the things you have listed, in a lot of cases with better numbers than President Trump. LOL

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        • JollyJ Offline
          JollyJ Offline
          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #105

          Mr. Obama was 2/9 or 3/9 on those.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

            @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

            I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

            The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

            Mike Pence - Vice President
            Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
            Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
            John Bolton - National Security Advisor
            James Mattis - Secretary of War
            John Kelly - Chief of Staff
            Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
            Gary Cohn - Economics Council
            Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
            Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
            HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
            Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
            Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

            Am I missing anyone?

            Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

            The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

            You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

            Hmmm, there are about 30-40% of the people on the left who super dislike President Trump. BUT, there are an equal % of people on the right who have fallen under the spell of personality and have the right side equivalent of TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome).

            Those on the left say - "Who me? No I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

            Those on the right say - "Who me? No, I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

            HoraceH Offline
            HoraceH Offline
            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #106

            @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

            @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

            @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

            I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

            The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

            Mike Pence - Vice President
            Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
            Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
            John Bolton - National Security Advisor
            James Mattis - Secretary of War
            John Kelly - Chief of Staff
            Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
            Gary Cohn - Economics Council
            Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
            Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
            HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
            Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
            Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

            Am I missing anyone?

            Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

            The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

            You like to talk about this notion of millions of people being slavishly devoted to Donald Trump, but the much more powerful and meaningful cultural force was always the blind hatred of the man from the mainstream left.

            Hmmm, there are about 30-40% of the people on the left who super dislike President Trump. BUT, there are an equal % of people on the right who have fallen under the spell of personality and have the right side equivalent of TDS (Trump Deification Syndrome).

            Those on the left say - "Who me? No I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

            Those on the right say - "Who me? No, I don't have TDS!" when it is obvious when looking from the outside.

            Well you just say these things, but some of us actually live and breath with Americans. There’s nothing wrong with being religious, but a religion of both sides in all cultural conflicts always being equal, isn’t an actual argument, it is just citing your gospel.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

              The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

              Mike Pence - Vice President
              Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
              Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
              John Bolton - National Security Advisor
              James Mattis - Secretary of War
              John Kelly - Chief of Staff
              Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
              Gary Cohn - Economics Council
              Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
              Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
              HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
              Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
              Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

              Am I missing anyone?

              Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

              The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

              LarryL Offline
              LarryL Offline
              Larry
              wrote on last edited by
              #107

              @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

              I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

              The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

              Mike Pence - Vice President
              Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
              Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
              John Bolton - National Security Advisor
              James Mattis - Secretary of War
              John Kelly - Chief of Staff
              Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
              Gary Cohn - Economics Council
              Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
              Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
              HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
              Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
              Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

              Am I missing anyone?

              Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

              The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

              None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

              taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
              • LarryL Larry

                @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

                The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

                Mike Pence - Vice President
                Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
                Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
                John Bolton - National Security Advisor
                James Mattis - Secretary of War
                John Kelly - Chief of Staff
                Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
                Gary Cohn - Economics Council
                Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
                Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
                HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
                Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
                Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

                Am I missing anyone?

                Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

                The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

                None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

                taiwan_girlT Online
                taiwan_girlT Online
                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #108

                @Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

                @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

                The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

                Mike Pence - Vice President
                Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
                Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
                John Bolton - National Security Advisor
                James Mattis - Secretary of War
                John Kelly - Chief of Staff
                Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
                Gary Cohn - Economics Council
                Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
                Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
                HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
                Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
                Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

                Am I missing anyone?

                Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

                The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

                None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

                John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

                James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

                Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

                John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

                etc etc

                I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

                Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

                If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

                I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

                HoraceH LarryL 2 Replies Last reply
                • JollyJ Offline
                  JollyJ Offline
                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #109

                  Well, Bless your heart.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

                    @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                    I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

                    The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

                    Mike Pence - Vice President
                    Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
                    Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
                    John Bolton - National Security Advisor
                    James Mattis - Secretary of War
                    John Kelly - Chief of Staff
                    Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
                    Gary Cohn - Economics Council
                    Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
                    Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
                    HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
                    Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
                    Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

                    Am I missing anyone?

                    Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

                    The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

                    None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

                    John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

                    James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

                    Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

                    John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

                    etc etc

                    I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

                    Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

                    If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

                    I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

                    HoraceH Offline
                    HoraceH Offline
                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by Horace
                    #110

                    @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                    @Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

                    @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                    I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

                    The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

                    Mike Pence - Vice President
                    Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
                    Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
                    John Bolton - National Security Advisor
                    James Mattis - Secretary of War
                    John Kelly - Chief of Staff
                    Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
                    Gary Cohn - Economics Council
                    Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
                    Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
                    HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
                    Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
                    Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

                    Am I missing anyone?

                    Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

                    The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

                    None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

                    John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

                    James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

                    Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

                    John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

                    etc etc

                    I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

                    Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

                    If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

                    I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

                    There's a certain art to participating in political discussions. A preference for one candidate over the other actually says nothing about how much room for improvement one's favored candidate has, but that room for improvement is beside the point. What you interpret as "undying love" or "cult indoctrination" is people playing by the rules of a well-understood game, where you don't spend your time criticizing the team you hope will win. I suppose there might be a name for a political movement filled with intellectually honest public self-criticizers, but that name has long been lost to history, as that political party got beat in every election every time.

                    You don't participate in any political discussions here, so you are safe to criticize the manner in which participants conduct themselves. But if you ever do have an opinion on politics or culture wars, and you actually care, you will find yourself playing by the rules I described. And you will not feel yourself to be blindly indoctrinated into the side you chose.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

                      @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                      I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

                      The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

                      Mike Pence - Vice President
                      Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
                      Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
                      John Bolton - National Security Advisor
                      James Mattis - Secretary of War
                      John Kelly - Chief of Staff
                      Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
                      Gary Cohn - Economics Council
                      Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
                      Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
                      HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
                      Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
                      Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

                      Am I missing anyone?

                      Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

                      The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

                      None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

                      John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

                      James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

                      Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

                      John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

                      etc etc

                      I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

                      Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

                      If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

                      I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

                      LarryL Offline
                      LarryL Offline
                      Larry
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #111

                      @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                      @Larry said in The hearings broadcast:

                      @taiwan_girl said in The hearings broadcast:

                      I have watched some of the information hearings, and the thing that stands out to me is that based on responses to the hearings, there is still a significant portion of the population who has a "slavish devotion" to President Trump.

                      The number of high ranking people in his administration who have come out and said that President Trump is/was basically incompetent is quite high. If it were one person saying that, hmmm. some "skepticism". But, the sheer number of people unrelated to each other saying the same thing makes me think that there must be some truth to what they are saying. "Where there's smoke.........."

                      Mike Pence - Vice President
                      Bill Sepien - 2020 campaign manager
                      Betsy Devos - Sec of Education
                      John Bolton - National Security Advisor
                      James Mattis - Secretary of War
                      John Kelly - Chief of Staff
                      Richard Spencer - Secretary of Navy
                      Gary Cohn - Economics Council
                      Tom Bossert - Homeland Security Advisor
                      Stephanie Grisham - press secretary
                      HR McMaster - National Security Advisor
                      Rex Tilleson - Minister of Foreign Affairs
                      Deborah Birx - Trump COVID Response Leader

                      Am I missing anyone?

                      Now, I certainly don't agree with a lot of the philosophies of the people listed above, but there are quite a few smart people in that group, and all of them worked very closely with President Trump. So, while I may not always agree with their philosophy, I respect their analysis in this case.

                      The cult of personality that President Trump has developed baffles me (and scares me a little bit). The US can do so much better than him.

                      None of the people on your list has EVER said that Trump was incompetent. NONE OF THEM. Most of them disagreed with his position on voter fraud. I suggest you go see 2000 Mules to find out that it's highly likely that Trump was correct.

                      John Bolten - "President Trump was erratic" and "stunningly uninformed"

                      James Mattis - "we are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership"

                      Rex Tillerson - President Trump is a "fucking moron"

                      John Kelly - stated that he agreed with James Mattis assessment of President Trump

                      etc etc

                      I agree that the world "incompetent" was not used, but I think the above are synonyms for it.

                      Love (and hate) is somewhat blind. If you "love" President Trump, evidence to the contrary on his abilities will not change your mind.

                      If you hate him same thing. He could develop a cure for cancer, institute a lasting world peace, and it wouldn't matter.

                      I listen to true crime stuff and there is occasionally a case something like where a son is arrested for robbery (for example). Despite video evidence and 35 eyewitnesses, the mother will say - "There is no way my son did this. He is innocent! I know him."

                      No, what you've done is typical leftwing "logic", where you make a derogatory claim that isn't true, state it as fact, and then if challenged, you defend it by digging up something close, take it out of context, and in this case, ignore the time in each person's life in which these statements were made. I could do the same and provide you with a list of quotes by these men where all of them are bragging on Trump like he's the Second Coming.

                      Every single person you listed was fired. Before they got fired, they each and every one bragged on Trump. You put together a list of sour grapes remarks made after getting their asses handed to them and think you've defended your statement - you haven't. What a man says after getting fired is useless. Not only is your list useless, you've had to admit that not a single one of them called Trump incompetent. Welcome to your corner.

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                        Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

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                          I agree. And it worries me.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists', and the evil mastermind behind them, Donald Trump.

                            https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

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                              @kluurs said in The hearings broadcast:

                              Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

                              Peggy jumped the shark fifteen years ago on what rank and file Republicans think.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

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                                Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists', and the evil mastermind behind them, Donald Trump.

                                https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

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                                @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

                                Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

                                https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

                                Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

                                  Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

                                  https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

                                  Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

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                                  @Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

                                  @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

                                  Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

                                  https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

                                  Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

                                  At least you read fast. My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I spent several minutes wading through it.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    @Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

                                    @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

                                    Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

                                    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

                                    Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

                                    At least you read fast. My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I spent several minutes wading through it.

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                                    @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

                                    @Jolly said in The hearings broadcast:

                                    @Horace said in The hearings broadcast:

                                    Here is a statement from an erstwhile GOP judge who's all-in on the histrionic narrative. Nary a sentence goes by in this statement without some top-shelf word being deployed to impress the gravity of the situation upon the reader. Our entire democracy existed on a precipice we could have pulled back from with a few locked doors. But nobody responsible for locking the doors, or for understanding that they should be locked, is being held accountable. Only the 'insurrectionists'.

                                    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/16/politics/read-luttig-statement/index.html

                                    Well, that's a useless minute out of my life I'll never get back...

                                    At least you read fast. My morbid curiosity got the best of me and I spent several minutes wading through it.

                                    Easier to read if you can view the PDF directly without CNN website’s pathetic PDF reader widget.

                                    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22061497/jml-final.pdf

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                                      Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. She does a nice job of explaining some of his appeal in 2016 at the start of the column - but I think she underestimates the strength of his support for 2024.

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                                      @kluurs said in The hearings broadcast:

                                      Noonan's take on the Trump Presidency. …

                                      Thanks, that’s very nicely written.

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                                        Steve Bannon says he's willing to testify in front of the Jan. 6 committee, preferably publicly:

                                        https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/steve-bannon-trump-january-6-executive-privilege/index.html

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                                          The Oathkeepers guy said he'll testify as well. As long as it's live and unedited for broadcast.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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