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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    Even though it's not really believable that he did this out of a sense of patriotic duty, the government still has to have evidence to the contrary.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #5

      Oh, the evidence was there. The jury was not.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
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        #6

        But…but….. “process crimes”?

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #7

          Turley:

          "The Washington Times is reporting that a juror told the press "There are bigger things that affect the nation than a possible lie to the FBI." If true, that is the type of statement that would have drawn a likely challenge from prosecutors during voir dire. Telling a lie to the FBI was the entire basis for the prosecution. It was the jury's job to determine the fact of such a lie and its materiality. Of course, this statement can be a simple criticism of the underlying charge without admitting to bias in weighing the elements. Yet, it would have prompted a challenge in the courtroom if expressed during jury selection."

          "Process crimes." The important word in that is "crimes."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            I agree but apparently someone who thinks like Jolly sat in the jury.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                Of course, it may just be this...

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/conservatives-double-down-on-double-standard-after-sussmann-acquittal/ar-AAXVWoF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=066cf43f797d43b8b2b9d1317793e38e

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  Or this...

                  https://spectatorworld.com/topic/stench-from-the-sussmann-verdict/

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                    Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                    Three Hillary donors
                    One AOC donor
                    And one juror whose daughter is on the same crew team as Sussman's daughter.

                    Of course, in the first two cases, getting someone in DC who didn't fit in that camp might be difficult, LOL.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                      Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                      Three Hillary donors
                      One AOC donor
                      And one juror whose daughter is on the same crew team as Sussman's daughter.

                      Of course, in the first two cases, getting someone in DC who didn't fit in that camp might be difficult, LOL.

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      @George-K said in Sussmann acquitted:

                      @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                      Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                      Three Hillary donors
                      One AOC donor
                      And one juror whose daughter is on the same crew team as Sussman's daughter.

                      Of course, in the first two cases, getting someone in DC who didn't fit in that camp might be difficult, LOL.

                      Which is why DC cases, regardless of party, should not be tried in the Beltway.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @George-K said in Sussmann acquitted:

                        @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                        Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                        Three Hillary donors
                        One AOC donor
                        And one juror whose daughter is on the same crew team as Sussman's daughter.

                        Of course, in the first two cases, getting someone in DC who didn't fit in that camp might be difficult, LOL.

                        Which is why DC cases, regardless of party, should not be tried in the Beltway.

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                        Which is why DC cases, regardless of party, should not be tried in the Beltway.

                        Did Durham try to get a change in venue?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                          Which is why DC cases, regardless of party, should not be tried in the Beltway.

                          Did Durham try to get a change in venue?

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                          Jolly
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                          #15

                          @George-K said in Sussmann acquitted:

                          @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                          Which is why DC cases, regardless of party, should not be tried in the Beltway.

                          Did Durham try to get a change in venue?

                          I do not know.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                            Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                            Three Hillary donors
                            One AOC donor
                            And one juror whose daughter is on the same crew team as Sussman's daughter.

                            Of course, in the first two cases, getting someone in DC who didn't fit in that camp might be difficult, LOL.

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                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            @George-K said in Sussmann acquitted:

                            @Jolly said in Sussmann acquitted:

                            Actually, there were three Hillary donors on the jury.

                            Three Hillary donors
                            One AOC donor
                            And one juror whose daughter is on the same crew team as Sussman's daughter.

                            Of course, in the first two cases, getting someone in DC who didn't fit in that camp might be difficult, LOL.

                            The prosecuting attorney must have been a complete idiot for not blocking #3.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              Axtremus
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                              #17

                              https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/john-durham-michael-sussman-verdict-not-guilty-russia-alfabank-trump-barr-fbi-clinton.html

                              John Durham Tried to Prove Trump’s Russiagate Theory. Instead He Debunked It. Trump’s prosecutor face-plants.
                              By Jonathan Chait
                              …
                              The fact Durham even had to bring [the Sussman] case was a testament to the failure of his probe. He had set out to uncover the FBI’s crimes against Mr. Trump. He was reduced to trying, and failing, to prosecute somebody for lying to the FBI.
                              …
                              The final, largest hole in the conspiracy theory is that there were in fact serious grounds for suspicion. By 2016 it was already apparent that Trump had hired as his campaign manager a guy who owed money to a Russian oligarch and who had previously managed the foreign campaign of a Russian puppet, had publicly asked Russia to hack his opponent’s emails, had exploited the results of that hack, among other things. The investigation turned up many more details, including a secret meeting where Trump’s campaign manager passed polling data on to a Russian agent, a secret business deal that promised to give Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in profit at no risk (and which he was exposing himself to Russian blackmail by denying in public), and so on.

                              Why would Sussmann go to the FBI? No doubt he wanted Clinton to win. Durham presupposes this was his only motive. But Sussmann was also privy to an allegation whose technical details he wasn’t qualified to judge, but which had potentially alarming implications. The reason Sussmann was afraid Trump posed a security threat to the United States is that Trump posed a security threat to the United States.

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #18

                                Russiagate has been proven, ya moron...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                  #19

                                  Well Russian support of the Trump campaign is known, the Trump campaign's failed attempts to collude are known, but actual collusion has never been proven and, as I've said for many years, unlikely occurred.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #20

                                    Is now the time to dig up Jolly's old quotes about all the money wasted in years long investigations ending in a few convictions one acquittal for process crimes???

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      Larry
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                                      You democrats make me laugh. You couldn't find your own ass with both hands and a funnel.

                                      "Russiagate" - trying to flip this around the way Jon did, to claim Trump was the one doing it is ridiculous. In spite of Jon's claims to the contrary, it has been proven beyond all doubt that this was Hillary Clinton's baby 100%, and Trump didn't do a damned thing.

                                      Now, for those gleefully crowing "Sussman was acquitted"..... I'm going to knock the slats out from under you..... Do you honestly think that a man as skilled and as tenacious as Durham is agreed to a jury made up of Hillary supporters, a judge who is a Hillary supporter, to put his important target up? Durham got exactly what he wanted - Sussman is just a foot soldier, Durham could have cared less how that came out. He wanted sworn testimony that he could use against the real target later - and he got it. Under oath, in sworn testimony, Hillary Clinton was DIRECTLY linked to the creation of this scandal.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        I guess if you spend enough time in the RW media universe you can start to think the Steele dossier is "the Russia thing". Reading the Mulher report or even just popping your head over the transom once in a while would disabuse you of that.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Is now the time to dig up Jolly's old quotes about all the money wasted in years long investigations ending in a few convictions one acquittal for process crimes???

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
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                                          @jon-nyc said in Sussmann acquitted:

                                          Is now the time to dig up Jolly's old quotes about all the money wasted in years long investigations ending in a few convictions one acquittal for process crimes???

                                          Dig 'em.

                                          I'll be happy to explain the difference.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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