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  • RainmanR Rainman

    For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
    Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by Jolly
    #4

    @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

    For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
    Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

    Bad time. Prices have gone up, selection has gone down.

    My advice is to drop by a local range that will let you try two or three different weapons. If you are not really familiar with firearms (I can do a tap-wrack-bang drill in my sleep), stay away from complicated. That means you should choose revolvers or pistols without a complicated manual of arms like a Glock. Stay away from larger calibers, as a .45 (or such) is not the gun for somebody that is new to handguns or doesn't shoot very often. 9x19 (9mm), .38 special, .357 magnum(you can shoot .38 spl in a .357, too) or maybe as large as a .40 S&W in a semi-auto.

    If you only have one handgun, buy something that is small enough to fit in your glove compartment or that you could conceal on your person. But also buy something large enough for the task. Something like:

    https://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5431.html

    https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-m20-manual-thumb-safety

    https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19

    I also advocate taking a concealed carry class, even if you don't intend to apply for your license.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by Mik
      #5

      I will echo the CCW class idea. You get a lot of good perspective on legal and illegal shoots and they bring the reality and responsibility of carrying a weapon into perspective.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        #6

        The name of the game is not total anarchy just enough to put Joe in the driver’s seat.

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        • L Loki

          The name of the game is not total anarchy just enough to put Joe in the driver’s seat.

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          #7

          @Loki said in Buy Ammo.:

          The name of the game is not total anarchy just enough to put Joe in the driver’s seat.

          Somebody will accuse you of being Burtonesque, but I think there is a large element of Truth there.

          I always thought David was a bright man with a unique take on life, that was hounded out of here. We are poorer for his having left.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @Loki said in Buy Ammo.:

            The name of the game is not total anarchy just enough to put Joe in the driver’s seat.

            Somebody will accuse you of being Burtonesque, but I think there is a large element of Truth there.

            I always thought David was a bright man with a unique take on life, that was hounded out of here. We are poorer for his having left.

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            wrote on last edited by
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            @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

            We are poorer for his having left.

            I agree. I always like to hear different viewpoints, even if I agree or disagree with them. I am said when people leave here or feel that they have to leave here. It does make us all poorer.

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            • RainmanR Rainman

              For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
              Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

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              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

              For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.

              Same here. I probably won't buy one, but for the first time in my life I would rather have one than not.

              And for the millionth time in my life, I would rather not be living in CA.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by Jolly
                #10

                The argument as succinctly as I can make it:

                It's an individual choice whether to own a gun, or not. But a gun is the only weapon that provides self defense to any person capable of pulling a trigger. And when you need a gun, you really need a gun.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                  For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.

                  Same here. I probably won't buy one, but for the first time in my life I would rather have one than not.

                  And for the millionth time in my life, I would rather not be living in CA.

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                  @Horace said in Buy Ammo.:

                  @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                  For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.

                  Same here. I probably won't buy one, but for the first time in my life I would rather have one than not.

                  And for the millionth time in my life, I would rather not be living in CA.

                  I know several who now have a gun who are (where?) staunch advocates for gun control. It’s an interesting conversation how they parse their need vs the good of society.

                  I have thought about a handgun but am still no where near pulling the trigger.

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                    #12

                    Saying that you don't own a gun is one of those things you might regret saying in a public forum.

                    Here is a picture of my gun storage area. The good stuff is in the vault upstairs, near me all the time.

                    alt text

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Loki said in Buy Ammo.:

                      The name of the game is not total anarchy just enough to put Joe in the driver’s seat.

                      Somebody will accuse you of being Burtonesque, but I think there is a large element of Truth there.

                      I always thought David was a bright man with a unique take on life, that was hounded out of here. We are poorer for his having left.

                      MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      @Jolly I agree. I liked David and still miss him.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        Saying that you don't own a gun is one of those things you might regret saying in a public forum.

                        Here is a picture of my gun storage area. The good stuff is in the vault upstairs, near me all the time.

                        alt text

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                        #14

                        @Copper

                        I said handgun, although the mess I’d make is a deterrent.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                          For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
                          Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

                          Bad time. Prices have gone up, selection has gone down.

                          My advice is to drop by a local range that will let you try two or three different weapons. If you are not really familiar with firearms (I can do a tap-wrack-bang drill in my sleep), stay away from complicated. That means you should choose revolvers or pistols without a complicated manual of arms like a Glock. Stay away from larger calibers, as a .45 (or such) is not the gun for somebody that is new to handguns or doesn't shoot very often. 9x19 (9mm), .38 special, .357 magnum(you can shoot .38 spl in a .357, too) or maybe as large as a .40 S&W in a semi-auto.

                          If you only have one handgun, buy something that is small enough to fit in your glove compartment or that you could conceal on your person. But also buy something large enough for the task. Something like:

                          https://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5431.html

                          https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-m20-manual-thumb-safety

                          https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19

                          I also advocate taking a concealed carry class, even if you don't intend to apply for your license.

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                          Rainman
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                          @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                          For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
                          Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

                          Bad time. Prices have gone up, selection has gone down.

                          My advice is to drop by a local range that will let you try two or three different weapons. If you are not really familiar with firearms (I can do a tap-wrack-bang drill in my sleep), stay away from complicated. That means you should choose revolvers or pistols without a complicated manual of arms like a Glock. Stay away from larger calibers, as a .45 (or such) is not the gun for somebody that is new to handguns or doesn't shoot very often. 9x19 (9mm), .38 special, .357 magnum(you can shoot .38 spl in a .357, too) or maybe as large as a .40 S&W in a semi-auto.

                          If you only have one handgun, buy something that is small enough to fit in your glove compartment or that you could conceal on your person. But also buy something large enough for the task. Something like:

                          https://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5431.html

                          https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-m20-manual-thumb-safety

                          https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19

                          I also advocate taking a concealed carry class, even if you don't intend to apply for your license.

                          Thanks for the advice, Jolly.
                          I don't know why I feel so creeped out. I guess it's that I try to imagine having to pull out a pistol because of something going on.
                          Honestly? I don't know that I'd have the guts to pull the trigger.
                          Could I actually shoot a person? Yes, if attacking my family.

                          I could physically fight someone, that's in my temperament. But shooting someone. . . I imagine a scene where I escalate the situation. But then again, as a last resort.
                          I'm rambling.
                          Anyway, thanks for the advice, and if I get to the point where I make the decision, I will be in touch with you beforehand, if you don't mind. I would very much value your help and advice.

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                          • RainmanR Rainman

                            @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                            @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                            For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
                            Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

                            Bad time. Prices have gone up, selection has gone down.

                            My advice is to drop by a local range that will let you try two or three different weapons. If you are not really familiar with firearms (I can do a tap-wrack-bang drill in my sleep), stay away from complicated. That means you should choose revolvers or pistols without a complicated manual of arms like a Glock. Stay away from larger calibers, as a .45 (or such) is not the gun for somebody that is new to handguns or doesn't shoot very often. 9x19 (9mm), .38 special, .357 magnum(you can shoot .38 spl in a .357, too) or maybe as large as a .40 S&W in a semi-auto.

                            If you only have one handgun, buy something that is small enough to fit in your glove compartment or that you could conceal on your person. But also buy something large enough for the task. Something like:

                            https://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5431.html

                            https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-m20-manual-thumb-safety

                            https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19

                            I also advocate taking a concealed carry class, even if you don't intend to apply for your license.

                            Thanks for the advice, Jolly.
                            I don't know why I feel so creeped out. I guess it's that I try to imagine having to pull out a pistol because of something going on.
                            Honestly? I don't know that I'd have the guts to pull the trigger.
                            Could I actually shoot a person? Yes, if attacking my family.

                            I could physically fight someone, that's in my temperament. But shooting someone. . . I imagine a scene where I escalate the situation. But then again, as a last resort.
                            I'm rambling.
                            Anyway, thanks for the advice, and if I get to the point where I make the decision, I will be in touch with you beforehand, if you don't mind. I would very much value your help and advice.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                            @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                            @Rainman said in Buy Ammo.:

                            For the first time in my life, I am seriously considering buying a gun.
                            Just a simple handgun, that would fit in the glove compartment (if that's even legal, beats me).

                            Bad time. Prices have gone up, selection has gone down.

                            My advice is to drop by a local range that will let you try two or three different weapons. If you are not really familiar with firearms (I can do a tap-wrack-bang drill in my sleep), stay away from complicated. That means you should choose revolvers or pistols without a complicated manual of arms like a Glock. Stay away from larger calibers, as a .45 (or such) is not the gun for somebody that is new to handguns or doesn't shoot very often. 9x19 (9mm), .38 special, .357 magnum(you can shoot .38 spl in a .357, too) or maybe as large as a .40 S&W in a semi-auto.

                            If you only have one handgun, buy something that is small enough to fit in your glove compartment or that you could conceal on your person. But also buy something large enough for the task. Something like:

                            https://www.ruger.com/products/lcrx/specSheets/5431.html

                            https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-9-shield-m20-manual-thumb-safety

                            https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19

                            I also advocate taking a concealed carry class, even if you don't intend to apply for your license.

                            Thanks for the advice, Jolly.
                            I don't know why I feel so creeped out. I guess it's that I try to imagine having to pull out a pistol because of something going on.
                            Honestly? I don't know that I'd have the guts to pull the trigger.
                            Could I actually shoot a person? Yes, if attacking my family.

                            I could physically fight someone, that's in my temperament. But shooting someone. . . I imagine a scene where I escalate the situation. But then again, as a last resort.
                            I'm rambling.
                            Anyway, thanks for the advice, and if I get to the point where I make the decision, I will be in touch with you beforehand, if you don't mind. I would very much value your help and advice.

                            That's why I suggested the concealed carry class. You need to know all the bad stuff coming your way, whether you are right or wrong in using a gun. The last thing you want to do, is use a gun. You want to avoid trouble at almost all costs.

                            It's a huge responsibility.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              I dont think I will ever buy a gun, but I am okay with people owning them legally.

                              I guess I am just not afraid enough (or worried enough) that I will ever be in a situation where 1) I would need a gun and 2) be able to use it in effectively.

                              I am a big believe in insurance, etc., but i have made it through life so far and never been in a situation where having a gun would have improved the situation.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                I dont think I will ever buy a gun, but I am okay with people owning them legally.

                                I guess I am just not afraid enough (or worried enough) that I will ever be in a situation where 1) I would need a gun and 2) be able to use it in effectively.

                                I am a big believe in insurance, etc., but i have made it through life so far and never been in a situation where having a gun would have improved the situation.

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                                @taiwan_girl said in Buy Ammo.:

                                I dont think I will ever buy a gun, but I am okay with people owning them legally.

                                I guess I am just not afraid enough (or worried enough) that I will ever be in a situation where 1) I would need a gun and 2) be able to use it in effectively.

                                I am a big believe in insurance, etc., but i have made it through life so far and never been in a situation where having a gun would have improved the situation.

                                You haven't been in a bad situation. Pray you never are.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Have you ever shot? Most people who try a bit of shooting, be it skeet, handgun, whatever, tend to enjoy it or at least are no longer afraid of a gun.

                                  Go to a good novice class at a range and bust a few caps. You might be surprised...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Have you ever shot? Most people who try a bit of shooting, be it skeet, handgun, whatever, tend to enjoy it or at least are no longer afraid of a gun.

                                    Go to a good novice class at a range and bust a few caps. You might be surprised...

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                                    @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                                    Have you ever shot? Most people who try a bit of shooting, be it skeet, handgun, whatever, tend to enjoy it or at least are no longer afraid of a gun.

                                    Go to a good novice class at a range and bust a few caps. You might be surprised...

                                    I have. I had "military training" throughout school. It was required and included shooting, disssembly/assembly, etc. We would have been a "speed bump" if the mainland Chinese did decide to invade, but....

                                    I have been clay pigeon and target shooting and it has been fun. I am not against guns, but I am in favor of common sense (at least for me) gun law.

                                    And no, I hope (and think) I never will be in a situation that I think will be improved by having a gun.

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                                      Have you ever shot? Most people who try a bit of shooting, be it skeet, handgun, whatever, tend to enjoy it or at least are no longer afraid of a gun.

                                      Go to a good novice class at a range and bust a few caps. You might be surprised...

                                      I have. I had "military training" throughout school. It was required and included shooting, disssembly/assembly, etc. We would have been a "speed bump" if the mainland Chinese did decide to invade, but....

                                      I have been clay pigeon and target shooting and it has been fun. I am not against guns, but I am in favor of common sense (at least for me) gun law.

                                      And no, I hope (and think) I never will be in a situation that I think will be improved by having a gun.

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                                      @taiwan_girl said in Buy Ammo.:

                                      @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                                      Have you ever shot? Most people who try a bit of shooting, be it skeet, handgun, whatever, tend to enjoy it or at least are no longer afraid of a gun.

                                      Go to a good novice class at a range and bust a few caps. You might be surprised...

                                      I have. I had "military training" throughout school. It was required and included shooting, disssembly/assembly, etc. We would have been a "speed bump" if the mainland Chinese did decide to invade, but....

                                      I have been clay pigeon and target shooting and it has been fun. I am not against guns, but I am in favor of common sense (at least for me) gun law.

                                      And no, I hope (and think) I never will be in a situation that I think will be improved by having a gun.

                                      A couple of years ago, my wife had a flat and was sitting in her car on the side of the road waiting for AAA (I was forty miles away, working). A crazy man jumped out of the back of a pickup truck that was passing by on the road, tumbled through the ditch and then proceeded to run up to the car. He jumped on the hood and was pounding on the windshield and screaming at my wife.

                                      As crazy as he was, he had a moment of pure clarity when he looked into the barrel of that .38 and watched her ear the hammer back. She told him in no uncertain terms, that when he broke into her car, he was going to be hurt. Badly.

                                      He suddenly lost interest in breaking her windshield in.

                                      Those things happen. There are truly bad people in the world. A fellow preacher my pastor went to seminary with, stopped to help a man whose truck had broken down on the side of the road. The truck owner beat him with a tire tool, then raped and sodomized his eight year-old daughter, then beat both of them until he thought he had killed them. Miraculously, the little girl actually survived.

                                      I've often wondered if the preacher's outcome would have been different, if had carried a small handgun in his pocket...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
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                                        Some folks are born predators. You just want to make sure you don't become prey.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Buy Ammo.:

                                          @Jolly said in Buy Ammo.:

                                          Have you ever shot? Most people who try a bit of shooting, be it skeet, handgun, whatever, tend to enjoy it or at least are no longer afraid of a gun.

                                          Go to a good novice class at a range and bust a few caps. You might be surprised...

                                          I have. I had "military training" throughout school. It was required and included shooting, disssembly/assembly, etc. We would have been a "speed bump" if the mainland Chinese did decide to invade, but....

                                          I have been clay pigeon and target shooting and it has been fun. I am not against guns, but I am in favor of common sense (at least for me) gun law.

                                          And no, I hope (and think) I never will be in a situation that I think will be improved by having a gun.

                                          A couple of years ago, my wife had a flat and was sitting in her car on the side of the road waiting for AAA (I was forty miles away, working). A crazy man jumped out of the back of a pickup truck that was passing by on the road, tumbled through the ditch and then proceeded to run up to the car. He jumped on the hood and was pounding on the windshield and screaming at my wife.

                                          As crazy as he was, he had a moment of pure clarity when he looked into the barrel of that .38 and watched her ear the hammer back. She told him in no uncertain terms, that when he broke into her car, he was going to be hurt. Badly.

                                          He suddenly lost interest in breaking her windshield in.

                                          Those things happen. There are truly bad people in the world. A fellow preacher my pastor went to seminary with, stopped to help a man whose truck had broken down on the side of the road. The truck owner beat him with a tire tool, then raped and sodomized his eight year-old daughter, then beat both of them until he thought he had killed them. Miraculously, the little girl actually survived.

                                          I've often wondered if the preacher's outcome would have been different, if had carried a small handgun in his pocket...

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                                          @Jolly I understand what you are saying. For every story like yours, there is probably one where someone had a gun, accidentally shot someone and killed them.

                                          I am comfortable, confident, and not afraid enough to believe that a gun will improve any situation I have been, or will be in in the future. I do believe that having a gun would result in more problems than solutions.

                                          I do not think your wife was wrong for carrying a gun - just not for me.

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