Texas shooting.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
If that happened and I were him I’d cooperate with the investigation.
Yeah, that's the thing. You can assume best intentions with the incident, but that kind of goes away after they refuse to cooperate with the investigation.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
I doubt the officers in the hallways were doing any requesting. Since we're condemning them as the front line cowards, we should probably come to an understanding of what they knew and were told at the time. Some decision maker completely screwed this situation. But that person likely wasn't at the school and wouldn't be motivated by cowardice per se.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Heard on Sam Harris’s latest podcast with Graeme Wood (which I highly recommend) that Uvalde’s own training materials say to go in immediately, even if you’re the first on the scene. It goes in to say something to the effect of “if that’s not something you would be able to do then this is not the right line of work for you”.
I suppose they thought it was a barricaded shooter who wasn't able to do damage to anybody but himself, or potentially to officers storming into the room to take him down.
Odd for them to request a hostage negotiator.
I doubt the officers in the hallways were doing any requesting. Since we're condemning them as the front line cowards, we should probably come to an understanding of what they knew and were told at the time. Some decision maker completely screwed this situation. But that person likely wasn't at the school and wouldn't be motivated by cowardice per se.
The decision maker was on site. Your point that not everyone on the ground wanted to sit around and take TikTok vídeos is taken and no doubt true.
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Posted on FaceBook.
ATTENTION ALL TEACHERS AND PARENTS
This is an article that needs to be repeated:
Every Friday afternoon Chase’s teacher asks her students to take out a piece of paper and write down the names of four children with whom they’d like to sit the following week. The children know that these requests may or may not be honored. She also asks the students to nominate one student whom they believe has been an exceptional classroom citizen that week. All ballots are privately submitted to her.
And every single Friday afternoon, after the students go home, Chase’s teacher takes out those slips of paper, places them in front of her and studies them. She looks for patterns.
Who is not getting requested by anyone else?
Who doesn’t even know who to request?
Who never gets noticed enough to be nominated?
Who had a million friends last week and none this week?
You see, Chase’s teacher is not looking for a new seating chart or “exceptional citizens.” Chase’s teacher is looking for lonely children. She’s looking for children who are struggling to connect with other children. She’s identifying the little ones who are falling through the cracks of the class’s social life. She is discovering whose gifts are going unnoticed by their peers. And she’s pinning down- right away- who’s being bullied and who is doing the bullying.
As a teacher, parent, and lover of all children – I think that this is the most brilliant Love Ninja strategy I have ever encountered. It’s like taking an X-ray of a classroom to see beneath the surface of things and into the hearts of students. It is like mining for gold – the gold being those little ones who need a little help – who need adults to step in and TEACH them how to make friends, how to ask others to play, how to join a group, or how to share their gifts with others. And it’s a bully deterrent because every teacher knows that bullying usually happens outside of her eyeshot – and that often kids being bullied are too intimidated to share. But as she said – the truth comes out on those safe, private, little sheets of paper.
As Chase’s teacher explained this simple, ingenious idea – I stared at her with my mouth hanging open. “How long have you been using this system?” I said.
Ever since Columbine, she said. Every single Friday afternoon since Columbine.
Good Lord.
This brilliant woman watched Columbine knowing that ALL VIOLENCE BEGINS WITH DISCONNECTION. All outward violence begins as inner loneliness. She watched that tragedy KNOWING that children who aren’t being noticed will eventually resort to being noticed by any means necessary.
And so she decided to start fighting violence early and often, and with the world within her reach. What Chase’s teacher is doing when she sits in her empty classroom studying those lists written with shaky 11 year old hands - is SAVING LIVES. I am convinced of it. She is saving lives.
And what this mathematician has learned while using this system is something she really already knew: that everything – even love, even belonging – has a pattern to it. And she finds those patterns through those lists – she breaks the codes of disconnection. And then she gets lonely kids the help they need. It’s math to her. It’s MATH.
All is love- even math. Amazing.
Chase’s teacher retires this year – after decades of saving lives. What a way to spend a life: looking for patterns of love and loneliness. Stepping in, every single day- and altering the trajectory of our world.
TEACH ON, WARRIORS. You are the first responders, the front line, the disconnection detectives, and the best and ONLY hope we’ve got for a better world. What you do in those classrooms when no one is watching- it’s our best hope.copied for hope to save more Children
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@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Posted on FaceBook.
ATTENTION ALL TEACHERS AND PARENTS
This is an article that needs to be repeated:
Every Friday afternoon Chase’s teacher asks her students to take out a piece of paper and write down the names of four children with whom they’d like to sit the following week. The children know that these requests may or may not be honored. She also asks the students to nominate one student whom they believe has been an exceptional classroom citizen that week. All ballots are privately submitted to her.
And every single Friday afternoon, after the students go home, Chase’s teacher takes out those slips of paper, places them in front of her and studies them. She looks for patterns.
Who is not getting requested by anyone else?
Who doesn’t even know who to request?
Who never gets noticed enough to be nominated?
Who had a million friends last week and none this week?
You see, Chase’s teacher is not looking for a new seating chart or “exceptional citizens.” Chase’s teacher is looking for lonely children. She’s looking for children who are struggling to connect with other children. She’s identifying the little ones who are falling through the cracks of the class’s social life. She is discovering whose gifts are going unnoticed by their peers. And she’s pinning down- right away- who’s being bullied and who is doing the bullying.
As a teacher, parent, and lover of all children – I think that this is the most brilliant Love Ninja strategy I have ever encountered. It’s like taking an X-ray of a classroom to see beneath the surface of things and into the hearts of students. It is like mining for gold – the gold being those little ones who need a little help – who need adults to step in and TEACH them how to make friends, how to ask others to play, how to join a group, or how to share their gifts with others. And it’s a bully deterrent because every teacher knows that bullying usually happens outside of her eyeshot – and that often kids being bullied are too intimidated to share. But as she said – the truth comes out on those safe, private, little sheets of paper.
As Chase’s teacher explained this simple, ingenious idea – I stared at her with my mouth hanging open. “How long have you been using this system?” I said.
Ever since Columbine, she said. Every single Friday afternoon since Columbine.
Good Lord.
This brilliant woman watched Columbine knowing that ALL VIOLENCE BEGINS WITH DISCONNECTION. All outward violence begins as inner loneliness. She watched that tragedy KNOWING that children who aren’t being noticed will eventually resort to being noticed by any means necessary.
And so she decided to start fighting violence early and often, and with the world within her reach. What Chase’s teacher is doing when she sits in her empty classroom studying those lists written with shaky 11 year old hands - is SAVING LIVES. I am convinced of it. She is saving lives.
And what this mathematician has learned while using this system is something she really already knew: that everything – even love, even belonging – has a pattern to it. And she finds those patterns through those lists – she breaks the codes of disconnection. And then she gets lonely kids the help they need. It’s math to her. It’s MATH.
All is love- even math. Amazing.
Chase’s teacher retires this year – after decades of saving lives. What a way to spend a life: looking for patterns of love and loneliness. Stepping in, every single day- and altering the trajectory of our world.
TEACH ON, WARRIORS. You are the first responders, the front line, the disconnection detectives, and the best and ONLY hope we’ve got for a better world. What you do in those classrooms when no one is watching- it’s our best hope.copied for hope to save more Children
Nice thoughts, but I don't think it's rocket science to pick out the kids with no friends. I do think it's rocket science to "teach them to be normal and well liked". That teaching process is not a thing.
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What a way to spend a life: looking for patterns of love and loneliness. Stepping in, every single day- and altering the trajectory of our world.
Facebook and Instagram and Snapchat can, in theory, do this, at a scale and with precision that a single teacher cannot match.
Do you really want them to?
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Uvalde and Police "Duty"
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18 minutes is the average time to put down an active shooter without a LEO in the building.
18 minutes.
Chew on that. I could take a cheap pump shotgun with #4 buck and kill a half dozen kids in five seconds.
IIRC, the Virginia Tech study done years ago basically boils the correct response down to three things:
- Secure the building. No multiple entrances.
- Security present, in the building.
- Improve mental health services for troubled students and intervene sooner.
BTW, what percentage of foreign aid would pay for a LEO in every school? How much would it cost for better mental health services?
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
18 minutes is the average time to put down an active shooter without a LEO in the building.
18 minutes.
Chew on that. I could take a cheap pump shotgun with #4 buck and kill a half dozen kids in five seconds.
IIRC, the Virginia Tech study done years ago basically boils the correct response down to three things:
- Secure the building. No multiple entrances.
- Security present, in the building.
- Improve mental health services for troubled students and intervene sooner.
BTW, what percentage of foreign aid would pay for a LEO in every school? How much would it cost for better mental health services?
Questions worth answering.
Hell, my last high school was locked from the outside back in 72-73. I don't buy that it makes the school like a prison, although we once told the vice principal that. We didn't give him a lot of mercy. He commanded me to give him my pack of cigarettes, to which I responded he could have them for 40 cents, what they cost me.
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I’m not sure I understand this…
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/03/uvalde-shooting-school-board-arredondo/
The School Board has the authority to fire the chief of police?
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in Texas shooting.:
I’m not sure I understand this…
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/03/uvalde-shooting-school-board-arredondo/
The School Board has the authority to fire the chief of police?
I think he's chief of the special Uvalde sub-department that covers the schools, not the whole town. So it is not completely non-sensical that the board has some authority over him.
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It’s always something.
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@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Arredondo, 50, was hired to lead the small school district police force in 2020. It has grown to a half-dozen officers, whose duties include providing security at campuses, staffing sporting events and narcotics work.
Oh wait, the school district has it's own police force which is separate from the town police force: https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120
https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/uvalde_police_department.php
That's REALLY confusing and is likely responsible for some of the confusion surrounding the whole thing.
Me/rry/Christmas
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@LuFins-Dad said in Texas shooting.:
@jon-nyc said in Texas shooting.:
Arredondo, 50, was hired to lead the small school district police force in 2020. It has grown to a half-dozen officers, whose duties include providing security at campuses, staffing sporting events and narcotics work.
Oh wait, the school district has it's own police force which is separate from the town police force: https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120
https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/uvalde_police_department.php
That's REALLY confusing and is likely responsible for some of the confusion surrounding the whole thing.
I wonder if it's possible that part of the motivation to have their own force, was for optimal response to a school shooting.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Texas shooting.:
The Uvalde School District Police Department... The Uvalde Police Department is a completely different group.
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Uvalde officer asked permission to shoot gunman outside school but got no answer
An Uvalde police officer asked for a supervisor’s permission to shoot the gunman who would soon kill 21 people at Robb Elementary School in May before he entered the building, but the supervisor did not hear the request or responded too late, according to a report released Wednesday evaluating the law enforcement response to the shooting.
The request from the Uvalde officer, who was outside the school, about a minute before the gunman entered Robb Elementary had not been previously reported. The officer was reported to have been afraid of possibly shooting children while attempting to take out the gunman, according to the report released Wednesday by the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center, located at Texas State University in San Marcos.
The report provides a host of new details about the May 24 shooting, including several missed opportunities to engage or stop the gunman before he entered the school.
The lack of response to the officer’s request to shoot the suspect outside the school was the most significant new detail that the report revealed.
“A reasonable officer would conclude in this case, based upon the totality of the circumstances, that use of deadly force was warranted,” according to the report. The report referred to the Texas Penal Code, which states an individual is justified in using deadly force when the individual reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent the commission of murder.
The report said one of the first responding officers — a Uvalde school district police officer — drove through the school’s parking lot “at a high rate of speed” and didn’t spot the gunman, who was still in the parking lot. The report said the officer might have seen the suspect if he had driven more slowly or parked his car at the edge of the school property and approached on foot.
The report also found flaws in how the school maintains security of the building. The report noted that propping doors open is a common practice in the school, a practice that “can create a situation that results in danger to students.” The exterior door the gunman used to enter the school had been propped open by a teacher, who then closed it before the gunman entered — but it didn’t lock properly.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
