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    George K
    wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:28 last edited by
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/06/06/iphone-apps-warning-you-should-remove-these-3-highly-rated-apps/#372758e45f6e

    Now working from home is more common than it’s ever been, many of us have turned to Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) to keep our data and our web browsing completely private. If you’re an American living in China, for instance, it can be essential to use a VPN as the only way to access sites which the Chinese are not permitted to see. However, an untrusted VPN can be worse than none at all.

    The Avast researchers said that three apps in the Apple App Store, all with high ratings scores of 4.7 to 4.8, were found to “overcharge users, do not provide the services they promote and appear to be 'fleeceware.’ ”

    The apps, which are still available in the Apple App Store, are Beetle VPN, Buckler VPN and Hat VPN Pro.

    Does anyone here use a VPN?

    Which one?

    Are you happy?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • G George K
      6 Jun 2020, 21:28

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/06/06/iphone-apps-warning-you-should-remove-these-3-highly-rated-apps/#372758e45f6e

      Now working from home is more common than it’s ever been, many of us have turned to Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) to keep our data and our web browsing completely private. If you’re an American living in China, for instance, it can be essential to use a VPN as the only way to access sites which the Chinese are not permitted to see. However, an untrusted VPN can be worse than none at all.

      The Avast researchers said that three apps in the Apple App Store, all with high ratings scores of 4.7 to 4.8, were found to “overcharge users, do not provide the services they promote and appear to be 'fleeceware.’ ”

      The apps, which are still available in the Apple App Store, are Beetle VPN, Buckler VPN and Hat VPN Pro.

      Does anyone here use a VPN?

      Which one?

      Are you happy?

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      Loki
      wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:40 last edited by
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      @George-K said in Beware these VPNs:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2020/06/06/iphone-apps-warning-you-should-remove-these-3-highly-rated-apps/#372758e45f6e

      Now working from home is more common than it’s ever been, many of us have turned to Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) to keep our data and our web browsing completely private. If you’re an American living in China, for instance, it can be essential to use a VPN as the only way to access sites which the Chinese are not permitted to see. However, an untrusted VPN can be worse than none at all.

      The Avast researchers said that three apps in the Apple App Store, all with high ratings scores of 4.7 to 4.8, were found to “overcharge users, do not provide the services they promote and appear to be 'fleeceware.’ ”

      The apps, which are still available in the Apple App Store, are Beetle VPN, Buckler VPN and Hat VPN Pro.

      Does anyone here use a VPN?

      Which one?

      Are you happy?

      Not even at work anymore. We see no need.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:41 last edited by
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        I use tunnelbear every 4 years to watch the World Cup without a cable subscription

        I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Copper
          wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:47 last edited by
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          Norton Secure VPN on my iPhone

          I don't notice it much

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          • J jon-nyc
            6 Jun 2020, 21:41

            I use tunnelbear every 4 years to watch the World Cup without a cable subscription

            I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

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            George K
            wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:51 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Beware these VPNs:

            I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

            What do you use to watch that really good German pr0n?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:01 last edited by
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              What do you mean watch it? He stars in it!

              I was only joking

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                Klaus
                wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:06 last edited by
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                ...together with me! He does an excellent job at playing the cuckold with the tiny wiener.

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:29 last edited by
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                  I use PIA, which is aptly named. Really slows things down.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • K Klaus
                    6 Jun 2020, 22:06

                    ...together with me! He does an excellent job at playing the cuckold with the tiny wiener.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:31 last edited by
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                    @Klaus said in Beware these VPNs:

                    ...together with me! He does an excellent job at playing the cuckold with the tiny wiener.

                    It takes a great makeup artist but hey, I'm supposed to be a German so I have no choice.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:11 last edited by
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                      I do occasionally. There are times when certain websites (Not the coffee room!) which are blocked that I would like to access.

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                      • MikM Mik
                        6 Jun 2020, 22:29

                        I use PIA, which is aptly named. Really slows things down.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:15 last edited by
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                        @Mik said in Beware these VPNs:

                        I use PIA, which is aptly named. Really slows things down.

                        I do too, but I've not noticed any real-time slowdowns. Running SpeedTest does show a hit, of course, but it's not serious enough to be an issue in routine use.

                        Unless, of course, you want that German pr0n, in which case speed is of the essence, as Jon will attest.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:23 last edited by
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                          My experience has been that anything over 25 is more than adequate for browsing, streaming etc. Probably anything more that 12.

                          Here's what I get right now with an ethernet connection to my router for Comcast:

                          Screen Shot 2020-06-06 at 6.17.26 PM.png

                          Connecting to Washington DC via PIA, I get this. About half the speed, but more than adequate:

                          Screen Shot 2020-06-06 at 6.19.56 PM.png

                          Let's go to Canada, eh?

                          Screen Shot 2020-06-06 at 6.21.41 PM.png

                          A while ago, I saw an article, and I think I posted about it, how many people are paying for broadband they really don't need, or even use.

                          Does it really matter if you spend two minutes or eight minutes to download some JonPr0n? Probably not.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:24 last edited by
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                            I should add that, whenever we go out of town, I use a VPN to connect via the hotel's WiFi.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:32 last edited by Axtremus 6 Jun 2020, 23:34
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                              For personal use, I don't really see the need.

                              I do not see the need to "hide" which Internet sites I connect to. Using a commercial VPN service simply means that the VPN provider has a full record of which Internet sites I connect to.

                              For encryption, it's pretty much HTTPS (TLS) everywhere these days. I am comfortable enough with that to not bother with getting a VPN service.

                              The only caution I'd advise is this: be careful with public Wi-Fi hotspots. Most of the time you really do not know who operate these Wi-Fi hotspots and what data security and data privacy policies govern these hotspots, or if such policies exist at all. When you are not at home (where you operate the Wi-Fi network) and not at work (where your employer operates the Wi-Fi network), just use your mobile phone's cellular data to get onto the Internet, tether your laptop through your mobile phone if you need to get online with your laptop.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus
                                6 Jun 2020, 23:32

                                For personal use, I don't really see the need.

                                I do not see the need to "hide" which Internet sites I connect to. Using a commercial VPN service simply means that the VPN provider has a full record of which Internet sites I connect to.

                                For encryption, it's pretty much HTTPS (TLS) everywhere these days. I am comfortable enough with that to not bother with getting a VPN service.

                                The only caution I'd advise is this: be careful with public Wi-Fi hotspots. Most of the time you really do not know who operate these Wi-Fi hotspots and what data security and data privacy policies govern these hotspots, or if such policies exist at all. When you are not at home (where you operate the Wi-Fi network) and not at work (where your employer operates the Wi-Fi network), just use your mobile phone's cellular data to get onto the Internet, tether your laptop through your mobile phone if you need to get online with your laptop.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:36 last edited by
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                                @Axtremus good comments. My only concern is hitting the data cap through my cell provider. Currently I'm at 8 gigs, and I never come even close to that cap. But 10 days' worth of surfing when I'm out of town might bump up against that.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:10 last edited by
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                                  Re: cellular data cap ... short of doing an OS upgrade or MS Office upgrade, the only thing that takes a lot of bandwidth is video streaming. The typical music videos or meme videos on websites and social media platforms are usually fine. But streaming a full feature film or TV series episodes will put a big dent in the cellular data cap.

                                  When I (used to) travel (in the pre-pandemic days), I switch to hotel Wi-Fi if I really want to stream a movie or stream TV episodes to avoid hitting my cellular data cap. Software upgrade can always wait until I get home. If I ever need to log into any service that requires better security (e.g., bank and credit card stuff), I do that only over cellular data.

                                  Then there is email. If you use POP or IMAP, you need to know that you have property configured the security settings to encrypt not just your emails but also your login credentials. If you are not sure about that, then use POP or IMAP only over cellular data or with a VPN. If you’re using a web interface to access your email, you are generally OK if the web service uses HTTPS. Email access using mobile app (e.g., Apple Mail app, Gmail app) for well known providers (e.g., iCloud, Gmail, Yahoo! Mail) are also generally OK over hotel Wi-Fi.

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                                  • G George K
                                    6 Jun 2020, 21:51

                                    @jon-nyc said in Beware these VPNs:

                                    I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

                                    What do you use to watch that really good German pr0n?

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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:16 last edited by
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                                    @George-K said in Beware these VPNs:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Beware these VPNs:

                                    I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

                                    that really good German pr0n?

                                    "Ooh ya, pull that plow, baby! Pull it! Pull it!"

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                                    • L Larry
                                      7 Jun 2020, 00:16

                                      @George-K said in Beware these VPNs:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Beware these VPNs:

                                      I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

                                      that really good German pr0n?

                                      "Ooh ya, pull that plow, baby! Pull it! Pull it!"

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:25 last edited by
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                                      @Larry said in Beware these VPNs:

                                      @George-K said in Beware these VPNs:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Beware these VPNs:

                                      I’d pay to watch the World Cup, but nobody will let me, so I do this.

                                      that really good German pr0n?

                                      "Ooh ya, pull that plow, baby! Pull it! Pull it!"

                                      You forgot the umlauts, heathen.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Larry
                                        wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:26 last edited by
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                                        • G George K
                                          6 Jun 2020, 23:24

                                          I should add that, whenever we go out of town, I use a VPN to connect via the hotel's WiFi.

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:34 last edited by
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                                          @George-K said in Beware these VPNs:

                                          I should add that, whenever we go out of town, I use a VPN to connect via the hotel's WiFi.

                                          That is where I use it religiously. Have it my phone and ipad.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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