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    jon-nyc
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    The original leaker, if conservative, would likely have been trying to put pressure on someone wavering on the Alito opinion.

    Roberts has been trying to thread the needle and allow the Mississippi law to stand without overturning Roe. If he picked off Kavanaugh (say) he’d get to 5 with concurring opinions by the three liberal justices.

    The subsequent conservative leaks (1) confirmed Roberts approach (which was obvious from orals) and (2) have told us none of the Alito 5 have wavered. (Though obviously that could be an attempt to apply pressure also).

    The idea of a left leaning employee leaking it is less pragmatic in the sense that it’s hard to imagine it having any impact on the outcome. But it’s historic and that’s probably enough. Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      The original leaker, if conservative, would likely have been trying to put pressure on someone wavering on the Alito opinion.

      Roberts has been trying to thread the needle and allow the Mississippi law to stand without overturning Roe. If he picked off Kavanaugh (say) he’d get to 5 with concurring opinions by the three liberal justices.

      The subsequent conservative leaks (1) confirmed Roberts approach (which was obvious from orals) and (2) have told us none of the Alito 5 have wavered. (Though obviously that could be an attempt to apply pressure also).

      The idea of a left leaning employee leaking it is less pragmatic in the sense that it’s hard to imagine it having any impact on the outcome. But it’s historic and that’s probably enough. Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

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      George K
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      @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

      Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

      Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        All the more reason to elect a conservative President in 2024.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          The original leaker, if conservative, would likely have been trying to put pressure on someone wavering on the Alito opinion.

          Roberts has been trying to thread the needle and allow the Mississippi law to stand without overturning Roe. If he picked off Kavanaugh (say) he’d get to 5 with concurring opinions by the three liberal justices.

          The subsequent conservative leaks (1) confirmed Roberts approach (which was obvious from orals) and (2) have told us none of the Alito 5 have wavered. (Though obviously that could be an attempt to apply pressure also).

          The idea of a left leaning employee leaking it is less pragmatic in the sense that it’s hard to imagine it having any impact on the outcome. But it’s historic and that’s probably enough. Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

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          @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

          The original leaker, if conservative, would likely have been trying to put pressure on someone wavering on the Alito opinion.

          Roberts has been trying to thread the needle and allow the Mississippi law to stand without overturning Roe. If he picked off Kavanaugh (say) he’d get to 5 with concurring opinions by the three liberal justices.

          The subsequent conservative leaks (1) confirmed Roberts approach (which was obvious from orals) and (2) have told us none of the Alito 5 have wavered. (Though obviously that could be an attempt to apply pressure also).

          That doesn't speak to motivation. Again, if the motivation for those "leaks" was to provide clarity that yes, a real draft opinion was leaked, then it's not fair to call them "leaks", even if it suits a whataboutism framework meant to minimize fault for a certain political side.

          The idea of a left leaning employee leaking it is less pragmatic in the sense that it’s hard to imagine it having any impact on the outcome. But it’s historic and that’s probably enough. Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

          Outrage at the Supreme Court being on the wrong side of history is my guess.

          Education is extremely important.

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            The original leaker, if conservative, would likely have been trying to put pressure on someone wavering on the Alito opinion.

            Roberts has been trying to thread the needle and allow the Mississippi law to stand without overturning Roe. If he picked off Kavanaugh (say) he’d get to 5 with concurring opinions by the three liberal justices.

            The subsequent conservative leaks (1) confirmed Roberts approach (which was obvious from orals) and (2) have told us none of the Alito 5 have wavered. (Though obviously that could be an attempt to apply pressure also).

            The idea of a left leaning employee leaking it is less pragmatic in the sense that it’s hard to imagine it having any impact on the outcome. But it’s historic and that’s probably enough. Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

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            @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

            Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

            All the more reason to elect a geriatric President in 2024.

            I was only joking

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              Hillary ain't running.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Virtue is probably too simple.

                Hatred and money probably play a role.

                The leaker had to know they would be in trouble.

                Unless the leaker is a total loser they would set up a scapegoat.

                The scapegoat might do it for virtue. I would look for a virtuous scapegoat.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                  Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

                  Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

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                  @George-K said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                  @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                  Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

                  Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

                  Thomas’

                  #WinningPedantrySaturday

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    @George-K said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                    @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                    Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

                    Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

                    Thomas’

                    #WinningPedantrySaturday

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                    @Horace said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                    @George-K said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                    @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                    Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

                    Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

                    Thomas’

                    #WinningPedantrySaturday

                    Not really an error. Put your game face on here, for shit's sake.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @Horace said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      @George-K said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

                      Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

                      Thomas’

                      #WinningPedantrySaturday

                      Not really an error. Put your game face on here, for shit's sake.

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                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      @Horace said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      @George-K said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      @jon-nyc said in Clarence Thomas on the leak:

                      Add to that the general lack of respect for institutions by the younger set and it’s not hard to imagine.

                      Which is, basically, Thomas's point.

                      Thomas’

                      #WinningPedantrySaturday

                      Not really an error. Put your game face on here, for shit's sake.

                      I’ve gone from POTY winner to Pedantry Saturday loser. That’s like Michael Jordan losing a pickup game at the YMCA. Whatever. I’m man enough to admit when I’ve lost. Which I never have, and never will. Cue the Rocky montage with Strunk and White.

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                      Education is extremely important.

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