Tell me about building a PC
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Water cooling does come with some risks. If I decide to go with water cooling of any ilk, (AIO or custom) I will be inspecting it on a regular basis for permeation and leaks. It does require a lot more diligence than air cooling. I have not ruled out a top quality air cooler.
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Water cooling does come with some risks. If I decide to go with water cooling of any ilk, (AIO or custom) I will be inspecting it on a regular basis for permeation and leaks. It does require a lot more diligence than air cooling. I have not ruled out a top quality air cooler.
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After all the research I did, I got the impression that air cooling can be every bit as good as liquid, although not as quiet. I could be wrong about the noise, of course.
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@mark look into some of the big honking heat sinks and air coolers from Noctua, Mark.
Aside from perhaps the most demanding overclocking - they both perform better and are quieter than liquid coolers (no pump).
@xenon Noctua is a great choice and they recently released an all black version of their flagship cpu cooler the NH-D15. Their original coolers are pretty ugly looking. That hardly matters to a closed, metal cabinet. My new case has a tempered glass panel on the one side. My new PC will have a semi outrageous, RGB lightshow available if I want.
I also like the beQuiet Dark Rock Pro4.
The top rated AIOs will keep a CPU cooler over long term high power consumption periods of time and a custom loop will also keep things even cooler.
Yes, the top rated air towers do very well for most people and will even keep your system from crashing, but they can get overwhelmed easier than a liquid cooler especially in a warm environment, and the result will be thermal throttling of the CPU. That will have a negative impact on performance. Running the CPU at higher temperatures also contributes to degradation of the CPU over time.
Is any of it noticeable to the average user? No.
I am not an average user.
I fully intend to overclock this PC to the fullest extent possible while retaining excellent reliability. I really want to, experiment with chilled liquid cooling. To see how far I can push it without going completely crazy and doing LN2. LN2 is so impractical as to be relegated to the benchmarking and world-record setting geeks.
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Do these links work?
I like the cascading almost "Tetris" look of the LEDs on the ram sticks.
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@xenon Noctua is a great choice and they recently released an all black version of their flagship cpu cooler the NH-D15. Their original coolers are pretty ugly looking. That hardly matters to a closed, metal cabinet. My new case has a tempered glass panel on the one side. My new PC will have a semi outrageous, RGB lightshow available if I want.
I also like the beQuiet Dark Rock Pro4.
The top rated AIOs will keep a CPU cooler over long term high power consumption periods of time and a custom loop will also keep things even cooler.
Yes, the top rated air towers do very well for most people and will even keep your system from crashing, but they can get overwhelmed easier than a liquid cooler especially in a warm environment, and the result will be thermal throttling of the CPU. That will have a negative impact on performance. Running the CPU at higher temperatures also contributes to degradation of the CPU over time.
Is any of it noticeable to the average user? No.
I am not an average user.
I fully intend to overclock this PC to the fullest extent possible while retaining excellent reliability. I really want to, experiment with chilled liquid cooling. To see how far I can push it without going completely crazy and doing LN2. LN2 is so impractical as to be relegated to the benchmarking and world-record setting geeks.
@mark said in Tell me about building a PC:
@xenon Noctua is a great choice and they recently released an all black version of their flagship cpu cooler the NH-D15. Their original coolers are pretty ugly looking. That hardly matters to a closed, metal cabinet. My new case has a tempered glass panel on the one side. My new PC will have a semi outrageous, RGB lightshow available if I want.
I also like the beQuiet Dark Rock Pro4.
The top rated AIOs will keep a CPU cooler over long term high power consumption periods of time and a custom loop will also keep things even cooler.
Not so clear:
Link to video -
@mark said in Tell me about building a PC:
@xenon Noctua is a great choice and they recently released an all black version of their flagship cpu cooler the NH-D15. Their original coolers are pretty ugly looking. That hardly matters to a closed, metal cabinet. My new case has a tempered glass panel on the one side. My new PC will have a semi outrageous, RGB lightshow available if I want.
I also like the beQuiet Dark Rock Pro4.
The top rated AIOs will keep a CPU cooler over long term high power consumption periods of time and a custom loop will also keep things even cooler.
Not so clear:
Link to video@Moonbat I am initially going with the Noctua NH-D15S in black.
If I do any water cooling it will be a custom loop. Go big or go home! lol
Once I settle in on the build, I will probably forget about the cooling unless I start to see thermal throttling which I really don't expect to see at all.
OR!
I get that geeky itch to plumb a PC.
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Some parts started showing up...
The back of the case opened with a 1 TB SATA SSD mounted.
4 out of 6 Samsung 980 1TB SSDs The other two arrive tomorrow. I am using 3 per computer.
The MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE motherboard fits like a glove. A little tight in some areas but nothing I can't figure out. The wiring channels and built-in Velcro straps in the case, will make things nice and tidy.
I purchased a "temporary" processor that Newegg had on sale. A 4 core 8 thread RYZEN 5 3400 G with built-in GPU just so I can test everything. The processors are not due to ship until 12/21/2020 so I needed something to tie me over. I will end up making a small workstation out of it for testing software, and other tasks. I may use it as my first water cooling project seeing as all the components I will use for that build, will be much less expensive than the main computers.
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on the test bench for some stress testing...
The Noctua CPU cooler with a nickel on top for scale.
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]The CPU has been at 100% utilization for over 6 hours now. The temps haven't gone above 62 degrees celsius. This is only a 4 core processor that is not being overclocked so I didn't expect the temps to get any higher than that.
So far so good!
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lol
So true. I am, however, upgrading from a 1st Gen i7.
I am waiting for "Big Navi" the first batch of them, are being released on Wednesday. I have a few people going to battle for one or two of them. I hope to get at least one.
I am also waiting for the 5950X processors. I have two on pre-order at B&H. The last update from B&H estimated 21/21 for ship date.
And depending on how well the 5950X overclocks with the Noctua air cooler, I might just yet, get an AIO. Custom loop will come eventually.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Tell me about building a PC:
lol
This just might void your warranty. They have the CPU and all 4 GPUs being cooled with Liquid Nitrogen.
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Just getting my feet wet with this whole overclocking business.
It's pretty cool to watch measurable results happen with each tweak you make to the seemingly endless list of parameters.
At any moment you can render the machine un-bootable and you have to be prepared to clear the bios and start again. You can create 2 XMP memory profiles that provide a templates you can save, but that doesn't save the cpu parameters. Still figuring it all out.
Right now I have the Ryzen 5 3400G running 4.5 Mhz above it's "maximum clock speed" I am shooting for + 100Mhz.
Learned that the processor's "boost mode" that lets it automatically increase the clock speed provides as maximum of 4.0 Ghz and is not turned on by default. Out of the box the processor was only running at 3.7 Ghz and it was not "turbo boosting".
I turned off the factory boost all together and went for all cores running at a fixed frequency of 4.2045 Ghz.
It's running Prime95 now and it is passing all the tests. The CPU core temps are elevated of course, but they are still in an optimum range of 70c.
Baby steps...
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The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.
@Klaus said in Tell me about building a PC:
The speed up at IO size of 512 bytes is only a very meager 6x or so. Aren’t you disappointed? I would be.
Nah. 6X is 6X! lol
It will be amazingly fast for the large files I deal with, in photography, audio and video project files. I don't do much video, these days. That can, and probably will change.
Actually, I am always impressed at the new found speed of a brand new computer that you build expressly for speed. Then it becomes the new normal and as little as 1 year later you start dreaming of a faster computer. But, if you do it correctly, that feeling might be delayed for as long as 6 or 7 years. That is what I attempting to do. Build a 7 to 10 year computer. Just like I did last time.
If all I did was internet browsing, shopping, social and anti-social networking, I would not even be looking at a new computer. My 10 year old i7 with 12 GB of ram and a 1 GB video card does just fine for that.
