They would love to see her go...
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Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
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@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
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@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
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@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
@Jolly said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
As unsettling as it may be - that’s much much more up to the guy sitting in the Kremlin. If he’s determined to do it, the White House can’t stop it.
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@Jolly said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
As unsettling as it may be - that’s much much more up to the guy sitting in the Kremlin. If he’s determined to do it, the White House can’t stop it.
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Jolly said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
As unsettling as it may be - that’s much much more up to the guy sitting in the Kremlin. If he’s determined to do it, the White House can’t stop it.
I would disagree. You don't start something- not on that scale - if you're not sure what the other will do.
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@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Jolly said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
As unsettling as it may be - that’s much much more up to the guy sitting in the Kremlin. If he’s determined to do it, the White House can’t stop it.
I would disagree. You don't start something- not on that scale - if you're not sure what the other will do.
@Jolly said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Jolly said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
Rather a somewhat competent buffon, rather than a senile idiot who may start WW3.
As unsettling as it may be - that’s much much more up to the guy sitting in the Kremlin. If he’s determined to do it, the White House can’t stop it.
I would disagree. You don't start something- not on that scale - if you're not sure what the other will do.
I don’t really know what that means. Is there another definition of WW3 besides nuclear apocalypse? Are you saying Putin believes he can achieve asymmetrical nuclear victory? His army is a POS, so I don’t see how a conventional WW3 makes any sense for him.
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@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
The way brainwashing works is the cult doing the brainwashing uses centers of influence to repeat a certain narrative over and over again until the ones being brainwashed decide that it must be true because the same thing is being said from so many different places in such a consistent way. It's an old old trick, and while it's true that the weak minded are more susceptible, even highly intelligent people get taken in by this tactic. Once the brainwashing gets a grip on the mind, the brainwashed individual will reinforce the narrative on his own, because it is human nature to justify a belief system. But the narrative will remain consistent.
What you wrote s the pure, unadulterated result of having been brainwashed.
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@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
The way brainwashing works is the cult doing the brainwashing uses centers of influence to repeat a certain narrative over and over again until the ones being brainwashed decide that it must be true because the same thing is being said from so many different places in such a consistent way. It's an old old trick, and while it's true that the weak minded are more susceptible, even highly intelligent people get taken in by this tactic. Once the brainwashing gets a grip on the mind, the brainwashed individual will reinforce the narrative on his own, because it is human nature to justify a belief system. But the narrative will remain consistent.
What you wrote s the pure, unadulterated result of having been brainwashed.
@Larry said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
The way brainwashing works is the cult doing the brainwashing uses centers of influence to repeat a certain narrative over and over again until the ones being brainwashed decide that it must be true because the same thing is being said from so many different places in such a consistent way. It's an old old trick, and while it's true that the weak minded are more susceptible, even highly intelligent people get taken in by this tactic. Once the brainwashing gets a grip on the mind, the brainwashed individual will reinforce the narrative on his own, because it is human nature to justify a belief system. But the narrative will remain consistent.
What you wrote s the pure, unadulterated result of having been brainwashed.
The fun part about your comment is that you’ve been conditioned to believe anyone that disagrees with you is brainwashed. Everyone who disagrees with you is coming from exactly the same place.
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Trump had a large impact in pretty much every arena. Domestically, he pushed for greater border security and made some things happen there. he tried very hard to force Congress to DO THER JOB, which both sides of both houses shirked shamelessly. He presided over a thriving economy.
In foreign policy he pulled us out of aa disastrous Iran nukes deal and a one-sided Paris accord. He pulled NATO up by its bootstraps and made them cough up more of what they should have been paying all along.
He handled ISIS pretty well as I recall and decapitated some of Iran's bad guys.
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@Larry said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
The way brainwashing works is the cult doing the brainwashing uses centers of influence to repeat a certain narrative over and over again until the ones being brainwashed decide that it must be true because the same thing is being said from so many different places in such a consistent way. It's an old old trick, and while it's true that the weak minded are more susceptible, even highly intelligent people get taken in by this tactic. Once the brainwashing gets a grip on the mind, the brainwashed individual will reinforce the narrative on his own, because it is human nature to justify a belief system. But the narrative will remain consistent.
What you wrote s the pure, unadulterated result of having been brainwashed.
The fun part about your comment is that you’ve been conditioned to believe anyone that disagrees with you is brainwashed. Everyone who disagrees with you is coming from exactly the same place.
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
@Larry said in They would love to see her go...:
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
The way brainwashing works is the cult doing the brainwashing uses centers of influence to repeat a certain narrative over and over again until the ones being brainwashed decide that it must be true because the same thing is being said from so many different places in such a consistent way. It's an old old trick, and while it's true that the weak minded are more susceptible, even highly intelligent people get taken in by this tactic. Once the brainwashing gets a grip on the mind, the brainwashed individual will reinforce the narrative on his own, because it is human nature to justify a belief system. But the narrative will remain consistent.
What you wrote s the pure, unadulterated result of having been brainwashed.
The fun part about your comment is that you’ve been conditioned to believe anyone that disagrees with you is brainwashed. Everyone who disagrees with you is coming from exactly the same place.
No sonny, what you're seeing is the result of decades of watching you idiots fall for whatever the Left rolls down the hall at you. My positions have remained consistent for more years than you've been alive. I have the advantage of actually watching as the cult of the Left has shifted the narrative upside down and watched the adherents shift views to stay with the narrative.
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@Horace said in They would love to see her go...:
@jon-nyc said in They would love to see her go...:
Does anyone, anywhere say they support a leader because they’re a member of a cult of personality?
If not, does that mean that they don’t exist?
Or maybe there are other things we look at to identify them besides self-profession by adherents?
If so, what might those things be?
I specifically said I found a fair case made by Trump supporters on this board that they preferred his policies over the opposition's. From there you can go ahead and say that even though they would have voted for a personality-free automaton with those same policies, they also happened to be under Trump's cult leader spell. But then that would just be a way to comfortably marginalize the other political tribe.
I hear the policy thing a lot. It’s one thing to have a popular and right position on something. And even I think Trump was right on many cultural and economic issues.
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
The only real policy win I hear is that he didn’t let the other side in and have a run at their agenda.
@xenon said in They would love to see her go...:
Being right is one thing though - but the guy was a belligerent buffoon who had no idea how to make progress on what he believed in. Worse, he fueled division further. He amped up the shitty power of social media to get people angrier.
I understand that it's impossible to ask your typical human to separate their disgust for a politician from a collateral damage disgust for all of those who voted for him, but that doesn't make this typical human weakness ok. And you certainly can't blame those who voted for the man, for the mob mentality hatred they received. Let's try to keep some focus on the fact that pop culture was at a place where lefties were openly discussing ways to exact social and economic retribution on anybody who voted for the man. And that wasn't just fringy people, that was the pop culture masses thinking that way. All the way up and down the status chain, especially on the upwards side of it. No, that display of human weakness and mob hatred does not get a pass by blaming it on Trump.
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I guess we could ask whether we we were happier with the way things were going before or after Trump.
I thought the move towards shitness accelerated during his Presidency. You can argue whether that was his fault or not, but in reality it doesn’t matter whose fault it was. It’s the shitness that matters.
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I guess we could ask whether we we were happier with the way things were going before or after Trump.
I thought the move towards shitness accelerated during his Presidency. You can argue whether that was his fault or not, but in reality it doesn’t matter whose fault it was. It’s the shitness that matters.
@Doctor-Phibes said in They would love to see her go...:
I guess we could ask whether we we were happier with the way things were going before or after Trump.
I thought the move towards shitness accelerated during his Presidency. You can argue whether that was his fault or not, but in reality it doesn’t matter whose fault it was. It’s the shitness that matters.
The blame matters a lot. The blame is what allowed the righteous mob to act as shittily as they wanted to. Because they weren't to blame for this unacceptable situation where their president was a disgusting orange haired reality TV hack. Which side was given more of a pass for acting shittily, the pro-trump side or the anti-trump side? Of course the anti-Trump side had a perpetual get out of blame for shitty behavior free card, as long as the shitty behavior was motivated by righteous Trump hatred. Moments like that are where character is displayed, as assholes with low self-awareness think they can act shittily, as long as their shit blends in with all the righteous mob shit around them. It was clear that some people rather enjoyed the opportunity for some good ol' hatred of the other tribe. The only thing keeping such assholes in check are social mores, and the shame of acting like that when everybody else around them isn't. But as soon as everybody around them is acting that way.... look out.
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I must admit I thought Trump was a revolting old twat. The new guy is a useless one.
I don’t think anybody’s going to argue that either of them made the world a better place.
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I must admit I thought Trump was a revolting old twat. The new guy is a useless one.
I don’t think anybody’s going to argue that either of them made the world a better place.
@Doctor-Phibes said in They would love to see her go...:
I must admit I thought Trump was a revolting old twat. The new guy is a useless one.
I don’t think anybody’s going to argue that either of them made the world a better place.
Another product of brainwashing.
Simply put, if you are incapable of acknowledging that Trump's policies made the world a better place, then you are a fool.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in They would love to see her go...:
I must admit I thought Trump was a revolting old twat. The new guy is a useless one.
I don’t think anybody’s going to argue that either of them made the world a better place.
Another product of brainwashing.
Simply put, if you are incapable of acknowledging that Trump's policies made the world a better place, then you are a fool.
@Larry said in They would love to see her go...:
@Doctor-Phibes said in They would love to see her go...:
I must admit I thought Trump was a revolting old twat. The new guy is a useless one.
I don’t think anybody’s going to argue that either of them made the world a better place.
Another product of brainwashing.
Simply put, if you are incapable of acknowledging that Trump's policies made the world a better place, then you are a fool.
