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State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office

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    Larry
    wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:45 last edited by
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    2016:
    "Mr. Trump, if you lose the election will you accept the results?"
    Trump: "Yes, of course. And if you lose, will you accept the results?"
    Hillary:"hahahaha

    Hillary loses:
    Hillary "I won the popular vote. I refuse to accept the results!"
    Democrat party: "We refuse to accept the results!"
    Democrat part: launches a coup, spends 3 years and tens of millions of dollars engaging in sedition.
    Hilkary:" I won! I won!"
    Democrat party: "let's get rid of the electoral college!"
    Democrat party : "destroy Kavanaugh! Destroy everyone Trump nominates! Destroy! Destroy!!!"
    Hillary "it's Corey's fault I lost. It's everyone's fault I lost. It's your fault I lost. It's... "

    2020:
    Democrat party: "if Trump loses the election, will he accept the results?"

    Bahahahahaaaa

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      Horace
      wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:49 last edited by
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      I wonder if jon would consider it a "legitimate concern" that people in the white house might actively subvert the intentions of the president going forward, and whether that would be a "constitutional crisis". I wonder if he considers it a "legitimate concern" that police could get defunded because racism. The first thing has already happened and been accepted as a good thing as long as the president is sufficiently orange and bad. The second thing is being openly discussed by mainstream progressive voices.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:50 last edited by
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        What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:51 last edited by
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          What if Trump loses but is able to provide valid proof massive fraud?

          The Brad

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            Klaus
            wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:51 last edited by
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            Well, I guess if there is valid proof of massive fraud, then the election would have to be repeated.

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              5 Jun 2020, 14:50

              What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

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              Larry
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              @Klaus said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

              What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

              Oh yes, she made the standard "I concede" call. Then she got drunk and fell asleep, woke up the next day, scratched her fat ass, farted, and launched a 3 year "I didn't really lose" campaign. She even wrote a book about how it was everyone else's fault not hers, and how she won the popular vote so she's really the rightful winner. She called the book "What Happened".

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                Catseye3
                wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:57 last edited by Catseye3 6 May 2020, 14:58
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                What constitutes "valid proof of massive fraud"? What constitutes fraud and what constitutes massive fraud, and how long would it take to establish it or accept that there's no case? The country cannot be without a president while 200 lawyers diddle around with this, and such an investigation obviously would not commence until after the election.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:58 last edited by
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                  Count me in as another one who thinks that Trump refusing to accept an election result is a legitimate concern.

                  I was only joking

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 14:58 last edited by
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                    What constitutes "legitimate concern"?

                    it's a bar that is exceeded at the exact moment someone feels it would be fun to scare people about how it might happen.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • L Larry
                      5 Jun 2020, 14:55

                      @Klaus said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                      What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

                      Oh yes, she made the standard "I concede" call. Then she got drunk and fell asleep, woke up the next day, scratched her fat ass, farted, and launched a 3 year "I didn't really lose" campaign. She even wrote a book about how it was everyone else's fault not hers, and how she won the popular vote so she's really the rightful winner. She called the book "What Happened".

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:04 last edited by
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                      @Larry said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                      @Klaus said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                      What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

                      Oh yes, she made the standard "I concede" call. Then she got drunk and fell asleep, woke up the next day, scratched her fat ass, farted, and launched a 3 year "I didn't really lose" campaign. She even wrote a book about how it was everyone else's fault not hers, and how she won the popular vote so she's really the rightful winner. She called the book "What Happened".

                      Did she make any serious attempts to overthrow Trump? Bitching about the electoral college vs popular vote is one thing. But she never said that Trump didn't win the electoral college.

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                        5 Jun 2020, 15:04

                        @Larry said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                        @Klaus said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                        What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

                        Oh yes, she made the standard "I concede" call. Then she got drunk and fell asleep, woke up the next day, scratched her fat ass, farted, and launched a 3 year "I didn't really lose" campaign. She even wrote a book about how it was everyone else's fault not hers, and how she won the popular vote so she's really the rightful winner. She called the book "What Happened".

                        Did she make any serious attempts to overthrow Trump? Bitching about the electoral college vs popular vote is one thing. But she never said that Trump didn't win the electoral college.

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                        Larry
                        wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:08 last edited by
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                        @Klaus said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                        @Larry said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                        @Klaus said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                        What are you talking about, Larry? As far as I remember, Hillary Clinton called Trump to acknowledge that he won during the night of the election.

                        Oh yes, she made the standard "I concede" call. Then she got drunk and fell asleep, woke up the next day, scratched her fat ass, farted, and launched a 3 year "I didn't really lose" campaign. She even wrote a book about how it was everyone else's fault not hers, and how she won the popular vote so she's really the rightful winner. She called the book "What Happened".

                        Did she make any serious attempts to overthrow Trump? Bitching about the electoral college vs popular vote is one thing. But she never said that Trump didn't win the electoral college.

                        Of course she didn't deny he won the electoral college. She simply joined in with the rest of the democrats in pushing for an end to the electoral college, and helped promote "The Resistance", which launched the coup attempt. So yes, she was up to her eyeballs in the attempt to overthrow Trump.

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                        • D Doctor Phibes
                          5 Jun 2020, 14:58

                          Count me in as another one who thinks that Trump refusing to accept an election result is a legitimate concern.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:09 last edited by
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                          Count me in as another one who thinks that Trump refusing to accept an election result is a legitimate concern.

                          Then you'd fall for anything.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:14 last edited by
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                            I think the question is academic - I can't really see Trump losing the election, but based on the last 5 months I guess a lot of weird shit could happen between now and November

                            I was only joking

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:15 last edited by
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                              It's an academic question posed by people who find it cathartic to discuss implausible worst case scenarios that are the result of a political result they don't like.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                5 Jun 2020, 14:37

                                @jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                                @Horace said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                                Trump is liable to call a loss "illegitimate". Lots of losers of elections have done so, that is an irrelevancy.

                                Many of Trump's base would back him on that claim, again irrelevant and commonplace.

                                I think there is no plausible path forward for Trump to use violence to stay in office.

                                and no, I will not attempt to establish that it is "impossible". "Impossible" is not necessary for something to not be a "legitimate concern", especially when the "legitimate concern" is fun to say out loud to drive home the point that orange man bad.

                                You conceded my first two concerns then skipped the rest, ending on a nice straw man. Perhaps it wasn't intentional, want to try again?

                                What straw man? Was it a straw man when I rephrased "couldn't happen" as "impossible"? Serious question, I am fascinated by your ability to see straw men where they do not exist.

                                Your other points were about Trump using violence to stay in office, I claimed that they were implausible. Your accusation that I skipped them is convenient but inaccurate.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:22 last edited by
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                                @Horace said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                                @jon-nyc said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                                @Horace said in State of the art progressive thought re: Trump refusing to leave office:

                                Trump is liable to call a loss "illegitimate". Lots of losers of elections have done so, that is an irrelevancy.

                                Many of Trump's base would back him on that claim, again irrelevant and commonplace.

                                I think there is no plausible path forward for Trump to use violence to stay in office.

                                and no, I will not attempt to establish that it is "impossible". "Impossible" is not necessary for something to not be a "legitimate concern", especially when the "legitimate concern" is fun to say out loud to drive home the point that orange man bad.

                                You conceded my first two concerns then skipped the rest, ending on a nice straw man. Perhaps it wasn't intentional, want to try again?

                                What straw man? Was it a straw man when I rephrased "couldn't happen" as "impossible"? Serious question, I am fascinated by your ability to see straw men where they do not exist.

                                Bump for jon, I am curious what the straw man was.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Larry
                                  wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:22 last edited by
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                                  The democrats are trying to put in place an excuse for when they lose the election.

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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:23 last edited by
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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:28 last edited by
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                                      It seems there are plenty of democrats who would be willing to commit massive fraud.

                                      Would they be able to commit massive fraud? Probably, some.

                                      It could happen.

                                      In which case Mr. Trump would be obliged to declare a loss illegitimate.

                                      What else could he do?

                                      We have courts to deal with this. No big deal. They will provide justice.

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:30 last edited by
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                                        62 Posts with 51 Views, that is unusual

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                                          Larry
                                          wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:33 last edited by
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                                          It's as transparent as can be.. push for vote by mail so you can steal the election, get all the bobble heads on the Left talking about Trump refusing to accept the election results, then while they're looking at that Shi y object steal the election. Then, if you get caught at stealing the election you can simply say "see, we told you he wouldn't accept the results!! "

                                          The Left is evil and have no morals or principles.

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