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  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
    #509

    I wouldn't know who Brenden Dilley was if he came round to my house wearing an 'I'm Brenden Dilley' t-shirt.

    Why did none of these people mention this earlier?

    I was only joking

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
      wrote on last edited by
      #510

      If offers were made, evidence should be abundant. If no evidence is offered, well.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
        #511

        Offers were probably verbal. You really need to find someone who paid. But they probably won’t be chomping at the bit to out themselves.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #512

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by George K
            #513

            What I'm hearing from inside Twitter:

            https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1589711711233134592.html

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

            Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
            • George KG George K

              What I'm hearing from inside Twitter:

              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1589711711233134592.html

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on last edited by
              #514

              @George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

              What I'm hearing from inside Twitter:

              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1589711711233134592.html

              Musk has charged in and forced this massive and traumatic change through without putting any thought into it at all.

              I was only joking

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              • CopperC Online
                CopperC Online
                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #515

                Save your keystrokes.

                There is no longer a need for anyone here to publish their opinion of Mr. Musk.

                The opinion can be derived from opinions concerning Mr. Obama and Mr. Trump.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #516

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                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #517

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                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #518

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                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #519

                        One of the biggest risks of wealth/power is no longer having anyone around you who can push back, give candid feedback, suggest alternatives, or just simply let you know you're wrong.

                        A shrinking worldview combined with intellectual isolation leads to out-of-touch shit. 🧵
                        Am I commenting on current events? Yes.

                        Is this also autobiographical? Yes.

                        It takes extra effort to surround yourself with people who feel empowered to say 'no' when they're generally incentivized to just say 'yes' and hope it ingratiates them or gets them something.

                        I've known Elon a long time. I've admired his thinking & ambition. His ability to note and question the assumptions implicit in the rest of our thinking is a rare type of genius I've only seen in the greatest minds. His success to date is not an accident. Tesla is world positive.
                        I've had fun nights out with him (did you know he is a skilled close-up magician?), and I've learned a lot from him. He's given me solid advice multiple times, and he has personally accelerated my and Lowercarbon's ambitions to unfuck the planet.
                        But I've recently watched those around him become increasingly sycophantic and opportunistic. Simply put, agreeing with him is easier, and there is more financial & social upside. Personally, I would love to sell Tesla the battery lithium they need, so even I have bit my tongue.
                        I'm a founding member of the Twitter Can Be So Much Better Party, and strong leadership from first principles could deliver results that wouldn't ever make it through a committee. But many of Twitter's core issues just can't be reduced to black and white.

                        They are gray AF.
                        Batteries and motors and rockets and tunnels and solar panels have definitively right and wrong answers. Success criteria can be objectively measured. Elon's mind is maybe the greatest in history for pushing those ideas and their execution forward.

                        But this shit ain't that.
                        Policy requires sharp people, w/ diverse lenses on the world, pushing back and forth, challenging each other. You want balanced speech and truth? That's how it's forged. Frankly, I wouldn't nominate myself for that room as I'm too biased against fake Christian patriot shitheads.
                        But Twitter isn't going to get better for users, the advertisers aren't coming back at scale, and his huge investment just isn't going to pay off unless there is genuine dialogue leading to thoughtful progress and stability.
                        "Move fast and break things" - Never been a fan, but at least that guy keeps some smart people around and sometimes listens. I hate most of their decisions, but they are free to suggest to Zuck that he's full of shit.

                        But, "Move fast and alone," and it's all guaranteed to break.

                        That's the thing though. This guy is alone. He has plenty of "pals" and is the life of parties and dinners. But the hard truth is that he is straight-up alone right now and winging this. If you're trying to make sense of anything, that context might help.

                        That's what got Travis in the end too. Travis is objectively brilliant, and a good debater. But as he became powerful only the suck-ups remained. He had no real friends left. Travis had a board seat to fill, and there was almost no one he could put in it because he was alone.
                        No one on Earth is good enough to get it all done on their own. It's easy to think we are, especially when shit goes right. The path of least resistance is to attribute success to our talent/skills/etc. But, if we're lucky enough to be honest with ourselves, we see it's not true.
                        We all need people around us to push back. To say no. To call bullshit. Again, I definitely didn't get this right early in my career. But I thankfully learned this lesson, and now @lowercarbon has a culture that rewards even the most junior person in the room for countering me/us
                        All told, I love Twitter too much to give up on it. I've been on this hellsite for 16 years(!), and I'm not moving. Well, unless this thread gets my account suspended. Then I'll embrace full #Boomerlyfe and go back to email FWD:fwd:RE:FWD:fwd
                        To those questioning if I'm going to Mastodon:

                        That's like asking if I'm going to quit a pack-a-day Camels habit to start rolling my own clove cigarettes.

                        Like the rest of you, I just need to stop smoking.
                        But until I can kick this addiction, I am rooting for Twitter. Every day it's looking more like an uphill battle. So much product and policy talent was pushed out the company door, and, my god, you just can't fire that many engs, ops, and SREs and expect the site to stay healthy.

                        Yet, I really want this thing to work. The only way I see that happening is if anyone around Elon can speak some truth to power and complement his bold and ambitious instincts with desperately needed nuance. Humans aren't math and physics problems.

                        We are fucking messy.

                        I'm turning comments off b/c I'm a snowflake who's about to piss off everyone. The crypto-incel disciples will yell at me for not licking boots & the haters will read this as me blindly rooting for every move he makes. No doubt Elon himself will be taking me off his nice list.

                        Been on Twitter long enough to know that I probably should've kept this thread in drafts.

                        But I can't sit by and watch a guy I've looked up to for over a decade fumble this opportunity, stoke more insanity, and likely hurt a bunch of folks in the process.
                        On a more important note, not sure if you heard, but the climate is either megafucked or gigafucked. Still waiting for the latest numbers.

                        Either way, we need all hands on deck. So, go here and find your next thing, make a bunch of money, and feel proud:

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
                          George KG Offline
                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #520

                          Interesting take on how things went south - quickly.

                          Put the entire thing behind a paywall?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Interesting take on how things went south - quickly.

                            Put the entire thing behind a paywall?

                            AxtremusA Offline
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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                            #521

                            @George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                            Interesting take on how things went south - quickly.

                            Put the entire thing behind a paywall?

                            🍿 🍿 🍿

                            There is a chance that he may be doing the world a favor with this move.

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                            • jon-nycJ Offline
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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #522

                              This is the right attitude

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                              Doctor PhibesD MikM 2 Replies Last reply
                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                This is the right attitude

                                Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #523

                                @jon-nyc said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                This is the right attitude

                                I wouldn't think they'd be allowed to fire him?

                                I was only joking

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #524

                                  "Is Musk's ownership of Twitter a threat to national security."

                                  Biden: "It's worth looking at."

                                  (Democracy picture with red background here____________________)

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • CopperC Online
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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #525

                                    What an idiot.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      "Is Musk's ownership of Twitter a threat to national security."

                                      Biden: "It's worth looking at."

                                      (Democracy picture with red background here____________________)

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #526

                                      @George-K

                                      Reminds me of security concerns with Armand Hammer during the Cold War. Musk, like Hammer, always managed to back himself into the public spotlight through his special relations with Kremlin bosses.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #527

                                        Ruh Roh...

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #528

                                          Seems like he’s trying to run a tech company like a Victorian cotton mill.

                                          Somebody has blundered.

                                          I was only joking

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