Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter
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wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 16:44 last edited by
I'm not an expert on Twitter but back in the day, I remember it not being valued as all that much because it couldn't be monetized (i.e. hate that word - can't make money off of it). Has that changed? If Elon makes it better, does he have a way of earning anything off of his investment?
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wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 16:49 last edited by
It already has been monetized. It’s not as if it has no meaningful revenues. The fact that it is not always profitable quarter to quarter is just a matter of capital allocation. Amazon was unprofitable forever too.
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I'm not an expert on Twitter but back in the day, I remember it not being valued as all that much because it couldn't be monetized (i.e. hate that word - can't make money off of it). Has that changed? If Elon makes it better, does he have a way of earning anything off of his investment?
wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 17:15 last edited by@kluurs said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
I'm not an expert on Twitter but back in the day, I remember it not being valued as all that much because it couldn't be monetized (i.e. hate that word - can't make money off of it). Has that changed? If Elon makes it better, does he have a way of earning anything off of his investment?
Twitter ad buys are decent, yeah.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
It’s a setup. My guess? He’s already got a new platform ready to roll out next month.
Didn’t somebody try that already?
wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 20:45 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@LuFins-Dad said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
It’s a setup. My guess? He’s already got a new platform ready to roll out next month.
Didn’t somebody try that already?
Plan B
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/elon-musk-not-sure-hell-be-able-to-buy-twitter.html
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 00:18 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 00:30 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 00:56 last edited by
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
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@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 01:58 last edited by xenon@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
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@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 02:50 last edited by Horace@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
I get that he has relevant life experience, but I went searching through the thread for anything resembling a useful idea or insight into moderation practices and came up empty. Then his example of Elon being a late buyer of Bitcoin and thus ignorant of internet culture was just stupid. That’s when I started sniffing a poser staking a claim to an expertise that doesn’t in this case result in any useful insights. It happens. He was, after all, selling something.
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@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
I get that he has relevant life experience, but I went searching through the thread for anything resembling a useful idea or insight into moderation practices and came up empty. Then his example of Elon being a late buyer of Bitcoin and thus ignorant of internet culture was just stupid. That’s when I started sniffing a poser staking a claim to an expertise that doesn’t in this case result in any useful insights. It happens. He was, after all, selling something.
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 03:21 last edited by xenon@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
I get that he has relevant life experience, but I went searching through the thread for anything resembling a useful idea or insight into moderation practices and came up empty. Then his example of Elon being a late buyer of Bitcoin and thus ignorant of internet culture was just stupid. That’s when I started sniffing a poser staking a claim to an expertise that doesn’t in this case result in any useful insights. It happens. He was, after all, selling something.
I thought the most interesting idea was that these platforms’ managers care about negative PR, avoiding regulatory scrutiny, people leaving the platform and business disruption at least as much as pushing a political ideology when moderating content. If not much more.
It’s not a mind blowing revelation - but as someone who works day in day out with corporate managers it rings very true.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 03:30 last edited by Doctor Phibes
To be honest, I don't really understand what all the fuss is about.
Musk buys Twitter, it might be good, it might turn into a shit-show. If it turns into a shit show, it will be replaced. Either way, it's not the end of the world.
Musk doesn't buy Twitter, sets up some other website. I'm not going to be lying awake thinking about it. Unless of course his website is soapybreasts4U.com. I find this eventuality unlikely.
25 years ago none of this stuff existed, and now people behave as though it's the most important thing in the world.
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@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
I get that he has relevant life experience, but I went searching through the thread for anything resembling a useful idea or insight into moderation practices and came up empty. Then his example of Elon being a late buyer of Bitcoin and thus ignorant of internet culture was just stupid. That’s when I started sniffing a poser staking a claim to an expertise that doesn’t in this case result in any useful insights. It happens. He was, after all, selling something.
I thought the most interesting idea was that these platforms’ managers care about negative PR, avoiding regulatory scrutiny, people leaving the platform and business disruption at least as much as pushing a political ideology when moderating content. If not much more.
It’s not a mind blowing revelation - but as someone who works day in day out with corporate managers it rings very true.
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 03:40 last edited by Horace@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
Well, I disagree that it was a great thread. "Be nice to each other and there would be no censorship" is not exactly a deep insight.
I thought it was pretty neat to hear how someone who has had to deal with the worst of user-generated internet content thinks about it.
Reddit has real racists, terrorists, doxers, pedophiles, sex traffickers, etc. on the site. It’s been an experiment in free speech meets the mainstream for over a decade now.
And his basic point isn’t that trivial “people online are assholes and can’t have nice things” (free speech). Very debatable, but not trivial.
I get that he has relevant life experience, but I went searching through the thread for anything resembling a useful idea or insight into moderation practices and came up empty. Then his example of Elon being a late buyer of Bitcoin and thus ignorant of internet culture was just stupid. That’s when I started sniffing a poser staking a claim to an expertise that doesn’t in this case result in any useful insights. It happens. He was, after all, selling something.
I thought the most interesting idea was that these platforms’ managers care about negative PR, avoiding regulatory scrutiny, people leaving the platform and business disruption at least as much as pushing a political ideology when moderating content. If not much more.
It’s not a mind blowing revelation - but as someone who works day in day out with corporate managers it rings very true.
I’ve said as much on this board, probably several times if Jon is to be believed. I suppose that’s why it didn’t qualify in my mind as a great insight.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 04:37 last edited by
@xenon said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Great Twitter thread by the former CEO of Reddit on the difficulties of running a social media company
This is good, I very much share his sentiments re: the old Internet vs. the current Internet.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 04:45 last edited by
Something doesn't need to be a great insight to be important. Take the Michelson-Morley experiment for example, it's not exactly great insight to say that "ether" does not exist and many people have said just that, yet it takes a lot of painstaking work to prove its non-existence and that proof is monumentally important to advance humanity's understanding of the physical world.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 12:52 last edited by
Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
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Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 15:27 last edited by@George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
Yeah, but he had to know that was coming next. Does anybody here really think there aren't wheels within wheels?
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Something doesn't need to be a great insight to be important. Take the Michelson-Morley experiment for example, it's not exactly great insight to say that "ether" does not exist and many people have said just that, yet it takes a lot of painstaking work to prove its non-existence and that proof is monumentally important to advance humanity's understanding of the physical world.
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 15:52 last edited by@Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Something doesn't need to be a great insight to be important. Take the Michelson-Morley experiment for example, it's not exactly great insight to say that "ether" does not exist and many people have said just that, yet it takes a lot of painstaking work to prove its non-existence and that proof is monumentally important to advance humanity's understanding of the physical world.
That would be a good contribution to a discussion about scientific theories.
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@George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
Yeah, but he had to know that was coming next. Does anybody here really think there aren't wheels within wheels?
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 16:03 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
Yeah, but he had to know that was coming next. Does anybody here really think there aren't wheels within wheels?
Does anybody here think that there’s maybe more to this than him being a knight in shining armor regarding the sanctity of free speech?
I was only joking
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@LuFins-Dad said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
Yeah, but he had to know that was coming next. Does anybody here really think there aren't wheels within wheels?
Does anybody here think that there’s maybe more to this than him being a knight in shining armor regarding the sanctity of free speech?
wrote on 16 Apr 2022, 16:20 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@LuFins-Dad said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
@George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:
Twitter is trying to thwart billionaire Elon Musk’s takeover attempt with a “poison pill” — a financial device that companies have been wielding against unwelcome suitors for decades.
WHAT ARE POISON PILLS SUPPOSED TO DO?
The ingredients of each poison pill vary, but they’re all designed to give corporate boards an option to flood the market with so much newly created stock that a takeover becomes prohibitively expensive. The strategy was popularized back in the 1980s when publicly held companies were being stalked by corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn — now more frequently described as “activist investors.”
Twitter didn’t disclose the details of its poison pill Friday, but said it would provide more information in a forthcoming filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which the company delayed because public markets were closed Friday.
The San Francisco company’s plan will be triggered if a shareholder accumulates a stake of 15% or more. Musk, best known as CEO of electric car maker Tesla, currently holds a roughly 9% stake.
Yeah, but he had to know that was coming next. Does anybody here really think there aren't wheels within wheels?
Does anybody here think that there’s maybe more to this than him being a knight in shining armor regarding the sanctity of free speech?
That's certainly part of it. I recall when the kids were trapped in the cave in Thailand and he made a very public and very heroic and very impractical offer to send in a submarine to save them.
