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NYT: Late to the Party

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #20

    Right wing rags?

    Turned out they were right

    Now, it's glaringly apparent that The Grey Lady decided to squash a really hot story, in order to effect election fraud. Because isn't that the bottom line?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Right wing rags?

      Turned out they were right

      Now, it's glaringly apparent that The Grey Lady decided to squash a really hot story, in order to effect election fraud. Because isn't that the bottom line?

      George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #21

      @Jolly it ain’t beanbag.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by Jolly
        #22

        True.

        But "The Paper of Record" should do better.

        Note, they still haven't said how they finally came to verify the information. The New York Post did and was banned by Twitter, anyway.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #23

          I want to know who the 50 or so "intelligence experts" who debunked this are.

          And when will Twitter ban the New York Times?

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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            I want to know who the 50 or so "intelligence experts" who debunked this are.

            And when will Twitter ban the New York Times?

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            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #24

            @George-K said in NYT: Late to the Party:

            I want to know who the 50 or so "intelligence experts" who debunked this are.

            https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000

            Clapper
            Hayden
            Panetta
            Brennan
            Morell

            and a bunch of others whose names I don't recognize.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #25

              https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intelligence-experts-refuse-to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/

              The Post reached out to those who signed the letter. Most would answer the question. A few doubled-down, including Clapper. No remorse. No shame. And no apologies:

              Mike Hayden, former CIA director, now analyst for CNN: Didn’t respond.

              Jim Clapper, former director of national intelligence, now CNN pundit: “Yes, I stand by the statement made AT THE TIME, and would call attention to its 5th paragraph. I think sounding such a cautionary note AT THE TIME was appropriate.”

              Leon Panetta, former CIA director and defense secretary, now runs a public policy institute at California State University: Declined comment.

              John Brennan, former CIA director, now analyst for NBC and MSNBC: Didn’t respond.

              Thomas Fingar, former National Intelligence Council chair, now teaches at Stanford University: Didn’t respond.

              Rick Ledgett, former National Security Agency deputy director, now a director at M&T Bank: Didn’t respond.

              John McLaughlin, former CIA acting director, now teaches at Johns Hopkins University: Didn’t respond.

              Michael Morell, former CIA acting director, now at George Mason University: Didn’t respond.

              Mike Vickers, former defense undersecretary for intelligence, now on board of BAE Systems: Didn’t respond.

              Doug Wise, former Defense Intelligence Agency deputy director, teaches at University of New Mexico: Didn’t respond.

              Nick Rasmussen, former National Counterterrorism Center director, now executive director, Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism: Didn’t respond.

              Russ Travers, former National Counterterrorism Center acting director: “The letter explicitly stated that we didn’t know if the emails were genuine, but that we were concerned about Russian disinformation efforts. I spent 25 years as a Soviet/Russian analyst. Given the context of what the Russians were doing at the time (and continue to do — Ukraine being just the latest example), I considered the cautionary warning to be prudent.”

              Andy Liepman, former National Counterterrorism Center deputy director: “As far as I know I do [stand by the statement] but I’m kind of busy right now.”

              John Moseman, former CIA chief of staff: Didn’t respond.

              Larry Pfeiffer, former CIA chief of staff, now senior advisor to The Chertoff Group:Didn’t respond.

              Jeremy Bash, former CIA chief of staff, now analyst for NBC and MSNBC: Didn’t respond.

              Rodney Snyder, former CIA chief of staff: Didn’t respond.

              Glenn Gerstell, former National Security Agency general counsel: Didn’t respond.

              David Priess, former CIA analyst and manager: “Thank you for reaching out. I have no further comment at this time.”

              Pam Purcilly, former CIA deputy director of analysis: Didn’t respond.

              Marc Polymeropoulos, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

              Chris Savos, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

              John Tullius, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

              David A. Vanell, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

              Kristin Wood, former CIA senior intelligence officer, now non-resident fellow, Harvard: Didn’t respond.

              David Buckley, former CIA inspector general: Didn’t respond.

              Nada Bakos, former CIA analyst and targeting officer, now senior fellow, Foreign Policy Research Institute: Didn’t respond.

              Patty Brandmaier, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

              James B. Bruce, former CIA senior intelligence office: Didn’t respond.

              David Cariens, former CIA intelligence analyst: Didn’t respond.

              Janice Cariens, former CIA operational support officer: Didn’t respond.

              Paul Kolbe, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

              Peter Corsell, former CIA analyst: Didn’t respond.

              Brett Davis, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

              Roger Zane George, former national intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

              Steven L. Hall, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

              Kent Harrington, former national intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

              Don Hepburn, former national security executive, now president of Boanerges Solutions LLC: “My position has not changed any. I believe the Russians made a huge effort to alter the course of the election . . . The Russians are masters of blending truth and fiction and making something feel incredibly real when it’s not. Nothing I have seen really changes my opinion. I can’t tell you what part is real and what part is fake, but the thesis still stands for me, that it was a media influence hit job.”

              Timothy D. Kilbourn, former dean of CIA’s Kent School of Intelligence Analysis: Didn’t respond.

              Ron Marks, former CIA officer: Didn’t respond.

              Jonna Hiestand Mendez, former CIA technical operations officer, now on board of the International Spy Museum: “I don’t have any comment. I would need a little more information.”

              Emile Nakhleh, former director of CIA’s Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program, now at University of New Mexico: “I have not seen any information since then that would alter the decision behind signing the letter. That’s all I can go into. The whole issue was highly politicized and I don’t want to deal with that. I still stand by that letter.”

              Gerald A. O’Shea, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

              Nick Shapiro, former CIA deputy chief of staff and senior adviser to the director: Didn’t respond.

              John Sipher, former CIA senior operations officer: Declined to comment.

              Stephen Slick, former National Security Council senior director for intelligence programs:
              Didn’t respond.

              Cynthia Strand, former CIA deputy assistant director for global issues: Didn’t respond.

              Greg Tarbell, former CIA deputy executive director: Didn’t respond.

              David Terry, former National Intelligence Collection Board chairman: Couldn’t be reached.

              Greg Treverton, former National Intelligence Council chair, now senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies: “I’ll pass. I haven’t followed the case recently.”

              Winston Wiley, former CIA director of analysis: Couldn’t be reached.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #26

                Wowser...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Wowser...

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #27

                  @Jolly said in NYT: Late to the Party:

                  Wowser...

                  Tell me again how there's no politicization of our "intelligence" services.

                  This is third-world stuff. Information, damaging to a political candidate, is suppressed by the "legacy" media, which and is parroted as "disinformation" by the state. These same guys, who for years, trumpeted the "Russia collusion" narrative, shown to be a lie, now are exposed again.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #28

                    I have a question - somewhat related to this forum thread, but not directly

                    I would guess that the US is like other democracy countries - that 90% + of the people who work for the federal government are "career employees", and not appointed by the group in power, correct?

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #29

                      Much higher than 90%. But yes.

                      In the post civil war era “civil service reform” was one of the main political themes. Prior to that the president appointed just about everyone. Even local post masters at literally every US post office.

                      We even had a president get assassinated by a frustrated office seeker. That probably tipped the balance toward reform.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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