Mitt vs Tulsi
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@Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
"Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.
Apologies for stating the obvious, but Mitt Romney isn't on the left, and Tulsi Gabbard isn't exactly a conservative.
I was only joking
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
@Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
"Conspiracy theorist" accusations are boilerplate lefty handbook stuff. We've all been acculturated to giggle at conspiracy theorists, long before our current left vs right divisions became so polarizing. the left has just used the opportunity to mine the giggles from that pre-conceived notion of how ridiculous conspiracy theorists are. Have to hand it to the left, they were ahead of the game recognizing the power of the tribal giggle.
Apologies for stating the obvious, but Mitt Romney isn't on the left, and Tulsi Gabbard isn't exactly a conservative.
In the context of this conversation, Romney was using the "conspiracy theorist" meme for its political effect, to marginalize a political opponent. It's part of the lefty playbook, but that does not mean its use is relegated to registered Democrats. I'm always eager to point out the conspiracy theorists on the left, for instance. Most obviously the race narrative, which is the largest and most powerful conspiracy theory on the planet. And I am not a registered Democrat.
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So it's used by both the left and the right.
Also, it's used by people to point out actual conspiracy theorists such as Tucker Carlson (or Glenn Beck if you prefer) as well as the race-obsessed such as NPR.
I was only joking
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
So it's used by both the left and the right.
Also, it's used by people to point out actual conspiracy theorists such as Tucker Carlson (or Glenn Beck if you prefer) as well as the race-obsessed such as NPR.
Yes but not everybody is motivated to see anecdotal evidence on both sides and then stop thinking, with a declaration that both sides are equally stupid. Accusations of being a conspiracy theorist was minted for its political value by the left, and relatively recently. But hey, good ideas get stolen.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
I have a sneezing fit from all the hairspray every time I see him.
Tucker, Trump and Hannity all have that oh-so-manly trait in common- do you think they've maybe inhaled a little too much of the stuff?
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So many times Mr. Trump has been misunderstood because he was so far ahead of the average man.
But, sooner or later everyone comes around to his way of thinking.
Mr. Carlson clearly has this same superior insight and foresight.
Tulsi's evidence confirms this.
I wonder if there is some gypsy in his family tree.
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@Copper said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
I wonder if there is some gypsy in his family tree.
They don't even encourage gypsies on his family golf course, much less in his family tree.
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@Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
Accusations of being a conspiracy theorist was minted for its
politicaldescriptive value by the left, and relatively recently.‘Recently’ in comparison to the age of the republic? The Birchers were very much conspiracy-driven, as was pointed out in the 50s and 60s by Buckley himself, as he banished their crazy asses to bingo halls.
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@jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)
Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?
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Did you mean to disagree with my assertion that accusations of conspiracy theories are a core play in the leftist messaging playbook? I'm aware that conspiracy theories have been used for political gain. But there has been a recent spike in accusations that the other tribe is chock full of conspiracy theorists. That is not conspiracy theories for political gain, it is giggles at conspiracy theorizers for political gain.
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@Larry said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
@jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)
Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?
Birtherism.
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@jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
@Larry said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
@jon-nyc said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
More recently Trump came to political prominence by pushing a conspiracy theory. (as opposed to cultural prominence, which predated the political by decades)
Do tell. And just what conspiracy theory might that be?
Birtherism.
"Birtherism" was the creation of Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump. Secondly, the things he may have said about the issue had absolutely nothing to do with his political success, and to dismiss the real reasons he succeeded by attempting to reduce it down to a Clinton created conspiracy is an insult to thinking people.
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@Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
Did you mean to disagree with my assertion that accusations of conspiracy theories are a core play in the leftist messaging playbook? I'm aware that conspiracy theories have been used for political gain. But there has been a recent spike in accusations that the other tribe is chock full of conspiracy theorists. That is not conspiracy theories for political gain, it is giggles at conspiracy theorizers for political gain.
Obviously, the idea that there was huge, but unproven, voter fraud in the 2020 election and that that Donald Trump won it, in his words, 'by a lot', is in no way a conspiracy theory.
Because stealing an entire national election wouldn't require any kind of massive conspiracy. A couple of guys could get it done on their day off.
Is that what you mean by giggling at them? Because you know what? It's pretty funny.
I was only joking
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
@Horace said in Mitt vs Tulsi:
Did you mean to disagree with my assertion that accusations of conspiracy theories are a core play in the leftist messaging playbook? I'm aware that conspiracy theories have been used for political gain. But there has been a recent spike in accusations that the other tribe is chock full of conspiracy theorists. That is not conspiracy theories for political gain, it is giggles at conspiracy theorizers for political gain.
Obviously, the idea that there was huge, but unproven, voter fraud in the 2020 election and that that Donald Trump won it, in his words, 'by a lot', is in no way a conspiracy theory.
Because stealing an entire national election wouldn't require any kind of massive conspiracy. A couple of guys could get it done on their day off.
Is that what you mean by giggling at them? Because you know what? It's pretty funny.
There were reasons why appetites were whetted to broad brush the other tribe as conspiracy theorizers. But we watched that playbook get out of hand with the responses to various Covid topics such as the lab leak theory, mask efficacy, or whatever other expert consensus of the day that wasn’t accepted by everybody in full faith immediately.
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My, what an effort to bash Tucker.
I guess Hannity will be next week.
In the meantime, many will lap up every piece of hog slop that NYT or WaPo throws in the trough and never question anything. Not even the brazen hit pieces, the outright lies (Russia!) or the inability to cover the known truth (Hunter hardrives) if it reflects poorly on whom they have chosen as the Annointed One.
Pardon me while I spit on the sidewalk and cast just a wee bit of jaundiced eye upon the sanctimonious among us.
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My God:
According to Olbermann, both Carlson and Gabbard are enemy combatants who belong in a military jail to await trial.
On The View on Monday, the show’s cohosts discussed Carlson and Gabbard at length. Whoopi Goldberg stated: “They used to arrest people for doing stuff like this.”
Clips of the discussion made their rounds online, and Olbermann shared his take when he commented on one of them.
A user with the handle @LibWatchdog commented on the video, “This is so deranged. The View calling for Tucker and Tulsi to be investigated by DOJ and suggest prison.”
Olbermann replied: “They are Russian Assets and there is a war. There’s a case for detaining them militarily. Trials are a sign of good faith and patience on the part of democracy.”
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