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  • MikM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #2061

    His hope is to incent Biden to bite in an election year with a difficult Congress, yet still retain occupied territory. It’s to Biden’s credit that he refused.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2062

      The Kremlin has wasted no time in denying it made such an offer to the US:

      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/14/kremlin-denies-report-that-putin-offered-ukraine-truce-to-us-a84076

      That probably means that the report is true. Besides, Putin as much as said in his sermon/lecture to FuCa last week that he is prepared to negotiate Ukraine’s continued existence with any sitting US president. Makes sense, since Putin rejects the notion that Ukraine is a sovereign country or even exists.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

        Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

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        wrote on last edited by
        #2063

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

        Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

        3D Chess by President Putin???????

        https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

        Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

        “Biden, he’s more experienced, more predictable, he’s a politician of the old formation,” Putin said. “But we will work with any U.S. leader whom the American people trust.”

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

          Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

          3D Chess by President Putin???????

          https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

          Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

          “Biden, he’s more experienced, more predictable, he’s a politician of the old formation,” Putin said. “But we will work with any U.S. leader whom the American people trust.”

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          George K
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          #2064

          @taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:

          https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

          Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

          GOP campaign ad - right there.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

            As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

            Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

            3D Chess by President Putin???????

            https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

            Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

            “Biden, he’s more experienced, more predictable, he’s a politician of the old formation,” Putin said. “But we will work with any U.S. leader whom the American people trust.”

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2065

            @taiwan_girl

            Traditionally the Kremlin has always preferred Republican administrations for their consistency in policy. I recall during the Carter administration following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a Soviet diplomat once saying something to the effect that “while the Republicans say bad things about us, the Democrats do bad things to us”. It was no secret that Brezhnev and Gromyko got along famously with Nixon and Kissinger and that Reagan and GWH Bush got on well with Gorbachev. The apparent close relationship between Clinton and Yeltsin was something of an anomaly and was actually fraught with a lot of behind the scenes disagreements that eventually led to lasting resentment.

            My feeling then is that Peskov and the Kremlin are blowing smoke. Putin insisted a week ago that he has never spoken with Biden since the meeting in Switzerland prior to 24 February 2022 or, at least, can’t recall the last time he did. As Dr. George pointed out the Kremlin’s statement is a campaign ad for the GOP.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #2066

              For all the time and treasure we have put into analyzing the USSR and now Russia we seem to continually misunderstand them.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2067

                Report from BBC on the same:

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68303231

                Elbows up!

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2068

                  Spot on. Yet, many Americans will take his words at face value, something you can never, ever do with Putin.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    George K
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                    #2069

                    Seeing lots of news about how things are deteriorating for the Ukrainian effort to stop the Russian invasion.

                    Many stories say that it's because of a lack of materiel being given to Ukraine...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2070

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2071

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by taiwan_girl
                          #2072

                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Russian blogger says Russia shot down hits own plane!

                          Russian forces have accidentally shot down their own £275 million spy plane over occupied Ukraine, pro-Kremlin military bloggers have said.

                          Vladimir Romanov said that the Beriev A-50 Soviet-built plane crashed near the Sea of Azov after it was hit by a missile fired from Mariupol, the Ukrainian city that Russian forces captured in 2022.

                          “The enemy has nothing to do with it again. The launches were from the Mariupol area,” he told his 140,000 followers. “After being hit by an air defence missile (not fired by the enemy), the A-50 broke into two parts.”

                          https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/24/russia-shoots-down-own-spy-plane-pro-kremlin-bloggers-claim/

                          Link to video

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Russian blogger says Russia shot down hits own plane!

                            Russian forces have accidentally shot down their own £275 million spy plane over occupied Ukraine, pro-Kremlin military bloggers have said.

                            Vladimir Romanov said that the Beriev A-50 Soviet-built plane crashed near the Sea of Azov after it was hit by a missile fired from Mariupol, the Ukrainian city that Russian forces captured in 2022.

                            “The enemy has nothing to do with it again. The launches were from the Mariupol area,” he told his 140,000 followers. “After being hit by an air defence missile (not fired by the enemy), the A-50 broke into two parts.”

                            https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/24/russia-shoots-down-own-spy-plane-pro-kremlin-bloggers-claim/

                            Link to video

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2073

                            @taiwan_girl

                            Most embarrassing.

                            My congratulations to the Duty Officer and battery that fired that rocket. Mentions in despatches and field promotions for all.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2074

                              I see a Siberian future in their crystal balls.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #2075

                                German Armed Forces has a communications security problem. Sloppiness. Seems that the Kremlin has its own cunning plans to take advantage of catching them with their trousers down:

                                Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday that the discussion betrayed the "cunning plans" of the German armed forces, which he said had committed "a blatant self-exposure".

                                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68457087

                                Elbows up!

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2076

                                  That’s a lot of how we got ahead of them in WWII. One might think they’d have learned.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2077

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/air-force-ukraine-downs-another-russian-su-34-jet/ar-BB1jeo8h

                                    “The East Air Command confirms the downing of a Su-34 fighter-bomber. Unfortunately, it was only one,” the Air Forcewrote on Telegram.

                                    The destruction of the jet is the latest in a recent uptick of downed Russian planes. This list includes 12 Su-34 fighter bombers, two Su-35 fighter jets, and a rare A-50 military spy plane. Another A-50 aircraft was downed a month prior.

                                    Three Su-34s were reportedly destroyed in a single day on Feb. 29 over eastern Ukraine. Another Su-34 plane was downed on the morning of March 1, the Air Force said.

                                    The rapid destruction of aircraft comes amid Russia's attempts to advance on the battlefield after the withdrawal of Ukrainian troopsfrom Avdiivka and three villages in Donetsk Oblast, in addition to Ukraine's widely mentioned ammunition shortage.

                                    Yuriy Ihnat, the Air Force's spokesman, has said that Ukraine now has "tools" to destroy planes "at quite long distances," explaining the recent uptick.

                                    Russia's total losses during the all-out war amount to about 670 aircraft — 345 planes and 325 helicopters, according to Ukraine's General Staff.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2078

                                      The Black Sea Submarine Fleet just got bigger.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2079

                                        Poland’s Foreign Minister, Radislaw Sikorski, administers terse rebuttal and “Come to Jesus” moment directly to the Russian Ambassador to the UN at the Security Council Plenum ten days ago:

                                        Video:

                                        https://news.sky.com/video/polish-foreign-minister-corrects-the-record-for-russia-in-un-security-council-meeting-13080530

                                        Transcript:

                                        https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/minister-radoslaw-sikorski-deliveres-speech-at-the-un-security-council

                                        Doubt if they showed that on RT or any TV news report in Russia. Wouldn’t hurt if a few politicians and interest groups in the West watched or paid close attention as well.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Hamas insists permanent ceasefire needed for hostage deal

                                          Hamas publicly insisted Tuesday that a permanent ceasefire must be in place before any deal is implemented for the release of the remaining 134 hostages held in Gaza, in a statement that seemed to run counter to optimism from Washington that an agreement was possible before the start of the holy month of Ramadan.

                                          “In the past two days, the movement presented its position on the proposal put forward by the brotherly Qatari and Egyptian mediators,” senior Hamas official Osama Hamdan said in Beirut.

                                          He spoke as ceasefire talks mediated by both Egypt and Qatar continued in Cairo with no sign of a breakthrough.

                                          “We reaffirmed our conditions for a ceasefire: a full pullout from the Strip and the return of the displaced [Palestinians] from areas they left, in particular in the north,” he said.

                                          Wasn't there a cease-fire in place on October 6?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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