The Ukraine war thread
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@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
How long can he continue to fight a war no one wants with an army that doesn't want to fight?
Mikhail Khodorkovsky on Vladimir Putin's historical achievement:
"Russia is most likely the first and only country in the world where people flee not because someone invaded their country, but because they invaded another country"
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@jon-nyc
And with this they expect to achieve what, exactly?This is like watching a tree fall in slow but inexorable motion.
Is Putin causing all this to happen on his own? Does he have anything like honest (if insane) support, or only yes-men feathering their own nests or staving off the Putin wrath by going through the motions?
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Latest word is that Putin plans to deliver (another) speech on Sept 30. On that occasion, he will announce the results of the (cough) referendum in the Eastern states, and therefore justification for annexation of those areas.
Once those are part of "Russia," escalation, either by more mobilization or by use of different weaponry will be on the table. After all, the Motherland is being attacked, dontcha know.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 24 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu’s declarations about which categories of Russian males will be exempted from partial mobilization may not reflect Russian President Vladimir Putin’s intentions or orders. A Russian media insider claimed on September 24 that officials of the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) reprimanded military commissars in person for negligence in carrying out mobilization and sending out summonses in “excess,” and contrary to the explicit MoD guidance regarding exemptions for age, disability, or other limiting factors. Another Russian source claimed that certain heads of federal subjects acknowledged that they have mobilized citizens who are technically ineligible.
"Responsibility for the partial mobilization appears to be divided and complex, possibly contributing to confusion, disorganization, and violations of Shoigu’s commitments regarding exemptions."
From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The Kremlin is attempting to message its way out of the reality of major problems in the execution of its “partial mobilization,” but its narratives are unlikely to placate Russians who can perceive the real mistakes all around them.
"The Kremlin is deflecting blame for the Russian government’s failure to abide by its own stated criteria for mobilization and exemptions onto the failing bureaucratic institutions responsible for the mobilization. The Kremlin is downplaying the widespread violations of the mobilization law as individual errors of local authorities, claiming to correct these errors as citizens call attention to them. The violations are clearly too common to be merely the result of individual errors, however, and Russian citizens can see them all too clearly.
"Unlike Russian failures in Ukraine, which the Kremlin has been able to minimize or deflect because its citizens cannot see them directly, violations of the mobilization decree are evident to many Russians. Word of these violations does not even require access to media or social media, because they are occurring in so many locations and victims’ families can spread their anguish by word of mouth."
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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CSTO is falling apart too. One of the rare good articles in Rolling Stone anymore.
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The link below is to yesterday’s episode of the BBC news interview Hard Talk. The guest is Evgenny Popov a Russian Politician, TV personality and staunch Putin loyalist. Well worth the 23 minute watch. A prime example of the Russian mentality that Ukraine and NATO are having to deal with at the moment:
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The link below is to yesterday’s episode of the BBC news interview Hard Talk. The guest is Evgenny Popov a Russian Politician, TV personality and staunch Putin loyalist. Well worth the 23 minute watch. A prime example of the Russian mentality that Ukraine and NATO are having to deal with at the moment:
@Renauda all you need to hear is the first six minutes.
"People are fleeing because we are a free country, and people can do what they want."
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@Renauda all you need to hear is the first six minutes.
"People are fleeing because we are a free country, and people can do what they want."
True enough, however if you stick with it her gives you an accurate picture of the fantasy world Putin has created. More explicitly Popov openly admits that Russia is at open war with the West. That should be a wake up for any one in the West who thinks otherwise. I suggest you watch the full interview. Besides Stephen Sackur is very good at his job as host- he does not throw softballs at his subjects.
Elbows up!
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True enough, however if you stick with it her gives you an accurate picture of the fantasy world Putin has created. More explicitly Popov openly admits that Russia is at open war with the West. That should be a wake up for any one in the West who thinks otherwise. I suggest you watch the full interview. Besides Stephen Sackur is very good at his job as host- he does not throw softballs at his subjects.
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True enough, however if you stick with it her gives you an accurate picture of the fantasy world Putin has created. More explicitly Popov openly admits that Russia is at open war with the West. That should be a wake up for any one in the West who thinks otherwise. I suggest you watch the full interview. Besides Stephen Sackur is very good at his job as host- he does not throw softballs at his subjects.
@Renauda also, any thoughts about what he claims are examples of Ukrainian aggression in the East? That's been a hotbed of instability for a long time, right?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Renauda also, any thoughts about what he claims are examples of Ukrainian aggression in the East? That's been a hotbed of instability for a long time, right?
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Dick Francis, who wrote a big bunch of books based on horse racing, wrote a book set in Russia (I think mostly Moscow). His main character befriended a Russian guy. One time they were having a convo about the awfulness of the country, and the hero asked the Russian why he stayed. The guy replied, "Love the country, hate the regime."
I have a feeling that would describe the hearts and minds of many Russians.
During the Cold War I kept thinking that under different circumstances, Americans and Russians would make good friends. The people, I mean, not the governments.
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The Kremlin is attempting to message its way out of the reality of major problems in the execution of its “partial mobilization,” but its narratives are unlikely to placate Russians who can perceive the real mistakes all around them.
"The Kremlin is deflecting blame for the Russian government’s failure to abide by its own stated criteria for mobilization and exemptions onto the failing bureaucratic institutions responsible for the mobilization. The Kremlin is downplaying the widespread violations of the mobilization law as individual errors of local authorities, claiming to correct these errors as citizens call attention to them. The violations are clearly too common to be merely the result of individual errors, however, and Russian citizens can see them all too clearly.
"Unlike Russian failures in Ukraine, which the Kremlin has been able to minimize or deflect because its citizens cannot see them directly, violations of the mobilization decree are evident to many Russians. Word of these violations does not even require access to media or social media, because they are occurring in so many locations and victims’ families can spread their anguish by word of mouth."
From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 27 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Russian authorities in occupied parts of Ukraine’s Kherson, Zaporizhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk oblasts completed their falsified annexation “referenda” on September 27 and implausibly claimed that each sham referendum received between 87 and 99% approval from Ukrainian residents. Russian officials pre-ordained and falsified the approval ratings and alleged voter participation rates for the sham referenda while coercing Ukrainian civilians in occupied territories to performatively vote for Russian annexation, as ISW has previously reported."
"It's Not Who Votes That Counts, It's Who Counts The Votes." -- Josef Stalin
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@Renauda also, any thoughts about what he claims are examples of Ukrainian aggression in the East? That's been a hotbed of instability for a long time, right?
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda also, any thoughts about what he claims are examples of Ukrainian aggression in the East? That's been a hotbed of instability for a long time, right?
Here you go George. Lot’s of reading but it’s free:
