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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #855

    Maybe mobilisation, maybe not. Chaos.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chaos-as-putin-cancels-big-speech-set-to-announce-escalation-of-ukraine-war/ar-AA123zcf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d277e2c1d2c8428380d53f3b99ffdc92

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

      https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

      MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #856

      @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

      https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

      Excellent piece.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #857

        A thread on mobilization:

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

          https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #858

          @jon-nyc

          Author raises good points particularly how on sanctions render Russia’s cash reserves meaningless and how the Kremlin’s policy has of turning off the gas will ultimately be Putin’s undoing.

          Stack Iglesia’s essay with the following and I think a fairly accurate picture of what’s going on inside Russia can be made:

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/20/kharkiv-retreat-what-will-military-losses-mean-for-russias-domestic-politics-a78838

          Elbows up!

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          • jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nycJ Online
            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
            #859

            That’s a great essay and definitely complements the Yglesias piece. thanks for posting it.

            You were warned.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #860

              image.jpeg

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #861

                Not 300,000 men.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • Catseye3C Catseye3

                  From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 19 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                  "Urgent discussion on September 19 among Russia’s proxies of the need for Russia to immediately annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts (much of the latter of which is not under Russian control) suggests that Ukraine’s ongoing northern counter-offensive is panicking proxy forces and some Kremlin decision-makers.

                  "The legislatures of Russia’s proxies in occupied Ukraine, the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR), each called on their leadership to “immediately” hold a referendum on recognizing the DNR and LNR as Russian subjects.

                  "Russian propagandist and RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan spoke glowingly of the call, referring to it as the “Crimean scenario.” She wrote that by recognizing occupied Ukrainian land as Russian territory, Russia could more easily threaten NATO with retaliatory strikes for Ukrainian counterattacks, “untying Russia’s hands in all respects.”

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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #862

                  From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 21 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                  "Russian President Vladimir Putin’s announcement of “partial mobilization” on September 21 reflected many problems Russia faces in its faltering invasion of Ukraine that Moscow is unlikely to be able to resolve in the coming months.

                  "Putin’s order to mobilize part of Russia’s “trained” reserve, that is, individuals who have completed their mandatory conscript service, will not generate significant usable Russian combat power for months. It may suffice to sustain the current levels of Russian military manpower in 2023 by offsetting Russian casualties, although even that is not yet clear. It will occur in deliberate phases, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in an interview on September 21, likely precluding any sudden influx of Russian forces that could dramatically shift the tide of the war.

                  "Russia’s partial mobilization will thus not deprive Ukraine of the opportunity to liberate more of its occupied territory into and through the winter."

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #863

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • RainmanR Offline
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                      Rainman
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #864

                      This shit is getting scarier.
                      Hope it starts to snow soon.

                      RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
                      • RainmanR Rainman

                        This shit is getting scarier.
                        Hope it starts to snow soon.

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #865

                        @Rainman said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Hope it starts to snow soon.

                        I don’t. Rain or snow now would impede the Ukrainian counteroffensive and give the Russians time to regroup.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #866

                          Kamikaze Drone Boats?

                          Photos circulated on Russian social media channels on Wednesday, Sept. 21, showing an unusual, unmanned boat that washed up on a beach near a Russian navy base in the city of Sevastopol, within occupied Crimea. Shaped like a kayak, the vessel is painted in a subdued color scheme and equipped with a white fixture, somewhat resembling a periscope, that holds a forward-facing sensor. In the available photos from social media, there are no visible markings that identify the craft’s nationality.

                          Screen Shot 2022-09-23 at 8.12.02 AM copy.jpg

                          According to Russian social media posts, the unusual craft washed up on a beach not far from the entrance to Sevastopol’s harbor — roughly 150 miles from coastline under Ukrainian government control.

                          Ukraine has not yet claimed ownership of the unmanned craft. From the available photos, it’s not clear whether the small boat contained an explosive device. However, Russian authorities reportedly took the drone boat out to sea and blew it up — a decision that subsequently led some open-source intelligence investigators to assume the craft was carrying an explosive warhead.

                          A photo published to the Russian Telegram channel “Military Columnist” on Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2022, purportedly shows the detonation of a maritime drone on the Black Sea. Photo via Telegram.
                          In Russian-language Telegram channels, Mikhail Razvozhayev, the governor of Russian-occupied Sevastopol, is quoted as saying: “A part of an unmanned vehicle was discovered, which was examined by experts. After the survey was completed, this apparatus was destroyed at sea by an explosion. No one was hurt.”

                          A photo published to the Russian Telegram channel “Military Columnist” on Wednesday claimed to show the drone’s detonation over open water “in the Black Sea near Sevastopol.”

                          If the beached mystery craft were, in fact, an armed Ukrainian aquatic drone, it would be another headache for Russian forces on the illegally annexed Ukrainian peninsula. Over the past several months, the expanding reach of Ukrainian missiles and airborne drones have put Russian forces in Crimea on the defensive and forced the transfer of some key Russian military hardware out of the area.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #867

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #868

                              The obscenity of the Russian referenda:

                              https://snyder.substack.com/p/russias-obscene-referendums?r=1nl5ib&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                              Elbows up!

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                              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 21 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                "Russian President Vladimir Putin’s announcement of “partial mobilization” on September 21 reflected many problems Russia faces in its faltering invasion of Ukraine that Moscow is unlikely to be able to resolve in the coming months.

                                "Putin’s order to mobilize part of Russia’s “trained” reserve, that is, individuals who have completed their mandatory conscript service, will not generate significant usable Russian combat power for months. It may suffice to sustain the current levels of Russian military manpower in 2023 by offsetting Russian casualties, although even that is not yet clear. It will occur in deliberate phases, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in an interview on September 21, likely precluding any sudden influx of Russian forces that could dramatically shift the tide of the war.

                                "Russia’s partial mobilization will thus not deprive Ukraine of the opportunity to liberate more of its occupied territory into and through the winter."

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #869

                                From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 22 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                "The Kremlin’s heavy-handed approach to partial mobilization may successfully meet the Kremlin’s internal quota of mobilized personnel but is unlikely to generate effective soldiers and is prompting significant domestic backlash for little gain.

                                "Russian authorities are forcibly recruiting Russian citizens to fight in Ukraine on flimsy pretexts, violating the Kremlin’s promise to recruit only those with military experience. Russian authorities are also demonstrably mobilizing personnel (such as protesters) who will enter the war in Ukraine with abysmal morale.

                                "The Kremlin's heavy-handed approach to partial mobilization will likely exacerbate domestic resentment of a measure that would have been unpopular even if implemented without the harsh approaches observed in the last 24 hours.

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #870

                                  A collection of stuff from various twitter sites:

                                  • Ukraine's Armed Forces Commander Valery Zaluzhny: “We finished up with the Russian professional army, and now it’s time to defeat unprofessional”

                                  • Former NATO Secretary General Rasmussen on Macron; "Macron astonished us at the beginning of the crisis with his, to say the least, unique and critical statement that Putin should not be humiliated and offered an exit ramp. Such statements were disastrous and deeply harmful"

                                  BREAKING: Finland will prohibit Russian tourists from crossing its borders This is likely to be a temporary measure as Finland refused to follow Poland and the Baltic States by banning Russian tourists, and faced an influx of Russian men fleeing mobilization

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                    From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 22 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                    "The Kremlin’s heavy-handed approach to partial mobilization may successfully meet the Kremlin’s internal quota of mobilized personnel but is unlikely to generate effective soldiers and is prompting significant domestic backlash for little gain.

                                    "Russian authorities are forcibly recruiting Russian citizens to fight in Ukraine on flimsy pretexts, violating the Kremlin’s promise to recruit only those with military experience. Russian authorities are also demonstrably mobilizing personnel (such as protesters) who will enter the war in Ukraine with abysmal morale.

                                    "The Kremlin's heavy-handed approach to partial mobilization will likely exacerbate domestic resentment of a measure that would have been unpopular even if implemented without the harsh approaches observed in the last 24 hours.

                                    Catseye3C Offline
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                                    Catseye3
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #871

                                    From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 23 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                    "The Russian mobilization system is struggling to execute the task Russian President Vladimir Putin set and will likely fail to produce mobilized reserve forces even of the low quality that Putin’s plans would have generated, unless the Kremlin can rapidly fix fundamental and systemic problems.

                                    "Putin and Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced that the Russian Armed Forces would mobilize combat-ready reservists to quickly stabilize the frontlines and regain the initiative on the battlefield. Milblogger and social media reports, however, show that Russian military recruitment centers, enlistment officials, and local administrations are mobilizing men who do not meet the Kremlin’s stated criteria, especially Shoigu’s promise that mobilization would prioritize men with “combat experience.” Russian opposition outlets and Telegram channels leaked information suggesting that the Kremlin aims to complete this partial mobilization by November 10 and that the Kremlin is seeking to mobilize 1.2 million men instead of the publicly announced 300,000.

                                    "ISW cannot verify these reports, but significant available information suggests that this mobilization campaign (the first in post-Soviet Russia) is overwhelming an ineffective and unmotivated bureaucratic system and could fail to generate the much-needed combat-ready reserve force in a short time or at all."

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #872

                                      They can raise all the troops they want, but they won't be able to supply them.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        They can raise all the troops they want, but they won't be able to supply them.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #873

                                        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        They can raise all the troops they want, but they won't be able to supply them.

                                        And, as I said above, they get two weeks of training.

                                        Fourteen days (of which they'll probably spend at least 6 dead-drunk).

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Kamikaze Drone Boats?

                                          Photos circulated on Russian social media channels on Wednesday, Sept. 21, showing an unusual, unmanned boat that washed up on a beach near a Russian navy base in the city of Sevastopol, within occupied Crimea. Shaped like a kayak, the vessel is painted in a subdued color scheme and equipped with a white fixture, somewhat resembling a periscope, that holds a forward-facing sensor. In the available photos from social media, there are no visible markings that identify the craft’s nationality.

                                          Screen Shot 2022-09-23 at 8.12.02 AM copy.jpg

                                          According to Russian social media posts, the unusual craft washed up on a beach not far from the entrance to Sevastopol’s harbor — roughly 150 miles from coastline under Ukrainian government control.

                                          Ukraine has not yet claimed ownership of the unmanned craft. From the available photos, it’s not clear whether the small boat contained an explosive device. However, Russian authorities reportedly took the drone boat out to sea and blew it up — a decision that subsequently led some open-source intelligence investigators to assume the craft was carrying an explosive warhead.

                                          A photo published to the Russian Telegram channel “Military Columnist” on Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2022, purportedly shows the detonation of a maritime drone on the Black Sea. Photo via Telegram.
                                          In Russian-language Telegram channels, Mikhail Razvozhayev, the governor of Russian-occupied Sevastopol, is quoted as saying: “A part of an unmanned vehicle was discovered, which was examined by experts. After the survey was completed, this apparatus was destroyed at sea by an explosion. No one was hurt.”

                                          A photo published to the Russian Telegram channel “Military Columnist” on Wednesday claimed to show the drone’s detonation over open water “in the Black Sea near Sevastopol.”

                                          If the beached mystery craft were, in fact, an armed Ukrainian aquatic drone, it would be another headache for Russian forces on the illegally annexed Ukrainian peninsula. Over the past several months, the expanding reach of Ukrainian missiles and airborne drones have put Russian forces in Crimea on the defensive and forced the transfer of some key Russian military hardware out of the area.

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #874

                                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Kamikaze Drone Boats?

                                          Photos circulated on Russian social media channels on Wednesday, Sept. 21, showing an unusual, unmanned boat that washed up on a beach near a Russian navy base in the city of Sevastopol, within occupied Crimea. Shaped like a kayak, the vessel is painted in a subdued color scheme and equipped with a white fixture, somewhat resembling a periscope, that holds a forward-facing sensor. In the available photos from social media, there are no visible markings that identify the craft’s nationality.

                                          Screen Shot 2022-09-23 at 8.12.02 AM copy.jpg

                                          According to Russian social media posts, the unusual craft washed up on a beach not far from the entrance to Sevastopol’s harbor — roughly 150 miles from coastline under Ukrainian government control.

                                          Ukraine has not yet claimed ownership of the unmanned craft. From the available photos, it’s not clear whether the small boat contained an explosive device. However, Russian authorities reportedly took the drone boat out to sea and blew it up — a decision that subsequently led some open-source intelligence investigators to assume the craft was carrying an explosive warhead.

                                          A photo published to the Russian Telegram channel “Military Columnist” on Wednesday, Sept. 21, 2022, purportedly shows the detonation of a maritime drone on the Black Sea. Photo via Telegram.
                                          In Russian-language Telegram channels, Mikhail Razvozhayev, the governor of Russian-occupied Sevastopol, is quoted as saying: “A part of an unmanned vehicle was discovered, which was examined by experts. After the survey was completed, this apparatus was destroyed at sea by an explosion. No one was hurt.”

                                          A photo published to the Russian Telegram channel “Military Columnist” on Wednesday claimed to show the drone’s detonation over open water “in the Black Sea near Sevastopol.”

                                          If the beached mystery craft were, in fact, an armed Ukrainian aquatic drone, it would be another headache for Russian forces on the illegally annexed Ukrainian peninsula. Over the past several months, the expanding reach of Ukrainian missiles and airborne drones have put Russian forces in Crimea on the defensive and forced the transfer of some key Russian military hardware out of the area.

                                          Probably semi-submersible. The U.S. Navy has been fooling around with drone midget subs for awhile. Inspired by the drug smuggler's subs, the Navy had noticed just how hard these things were to identify in the water, even using their best detection techniques.

                                          War begats new ideas...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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