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  • MikM Mik

    Special Military Operation is not so Special.

    George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #840

    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Special Military Operation is not so Special.

    Well, it is "special" in a different way.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • Catseye3C Catseye3

      @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 17 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

      "Russian forces continue to conduct meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut instead of focusing on defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives that continue to advance.

      "Russian troops continue to attack Bakhmut and various villages near Donetsk City of emotional significance to pro-war residents of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) but little other importance.

      "The Russians are apparently directing some of the very limited reserves available in Ukraine to these efforts rather than to the vulnerable Russian defensive lines hastily thrown up along the Oskil River in eastern Kharkiv Oblast. The Russians cannot hope to make gains around Bakhmut or Donetsk City on a large enough scale to derail Ukrainian counteroffensives and appear to be continuing an almost robotic effort to gain ground in Donetsk Oblast that seems increasingly divorced from the overall realities of the theater."

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      Catseye3
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      #841

      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 18 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

      "Russian President Vladimir Putin is increasingly relying on irregular volunteer and proxy forces rather than conventional units and formations of the Russian Federation Armed Forces. ISW has previously reported that Putin has been bypassing the Russian higher military command and Ministry of Defense leadership throughout the summer and especially following the defeat around Kharkiv Oblast.

      "Putin’s souring relationship with the military command and the Russian (MoD) may explain in part the Kremlin’s increasing focus on recruiting ill-prepared volunteers into ad-hoc irregular units rather than attempting to draw them into reserve or replacement pools for regular Russian combat units."

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #842

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #843

          Ukraine sank a Russian barge with military personnel and weapons

          (translated page)

          Near Nova Kakhovka, the Ukrainian military sank an enemy barge with military personnel, equipment and weapons.
          Source : operational command " South "
          Verbatim : "Attempts to set up an alternative crossing across the Dnipro, in the area of ​​Novaya Kakhovka and Kozatskyi, were unsuccessful.
          The guidance of the crossing could not withstand fire control and stopped. The barge, loaded with weapons, equipment and personnel, came under fire and replenished the underwater fleet of the occupiers."

          "Replenished the underwater fleet..." LOL.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #844

            Erdogan says Putin is willing to end the war. But at what cost?

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-s-erdogan-putin-willing-to-end-the-war/ar-AA1221H6?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aa188ffe37aa4869b6c52c6079541e1b

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #845

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/occupied-regions-announce-votes-to-join-russia-in-the-wake-of-ukrainian-advances/ar-AA122eOC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=69b980bb330740818fe736e293f30366

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 18 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                "Russian President Vladimir Putin is increasingly relying on irregular volunteer and proxy forces rather than conventional units and formations of the Russian Federation Armed Forces. ISW has previously reported that Putin has been bypassing the Russian higher military command and Ministry of Defense leadership throughout the summer and especially following the defeat around Kharkiv Oblast.

                "Putin’s souring relationship with the military command and the Russian (MoD) may explain in part the Kremlin’s increasing focus on recruiting ill-prepared volunteers into ad-hoc irregular units rather than attempting to draw them into reserve or replacement pools for regular Russian combat units."

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                #846

                From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 19 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                "Urgent discussion on September 19 among Russia’s proxies of the need for Russia to immediately annex Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts (much of the latter of which is not under Russian control) suggests that Ukraine’s ongoing northern counter-offensive is panicking proxy forces and some Kremlin decision-makers.

                "The legislatures of Russia’s proxies in occupied Ukraine, the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR), each called on their leadership to “immediately” hold a referendum on recognizing the DNR and LNR as Russian subjects.

                "Russian propagandist and RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan spoke glowingly of the call, referring to it as the “Crimean scenario.” She wrote that by recognizing occupied Ukrainian land as Russian territory, Russia could more easily threaten NATO with retaliatory strikes for Ukrainian counterattacks, “untying Russia’s hands in all respects.”

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  #847

                  The results of referendums in any occupied regions are a foregone conclusion. They will not change much. It is window dressing.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
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                    #848

                    Of course. It will just give Russia an excuse to claim legitimacy. No one believes it, of course, but if they can hold those two oblasts and declare victory, that's probably the best Putin can hope for.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Of course. It will just give Russia an excuse to claim legitimacy. No one believes it, of course, but if they can hold those two oblasts and declare victory, that's probably the best Putin can hope for.

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                      Renauda
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                      #849

                      @Mik

                      It’s more for domestic consumption inside Russia. He senses that the war and its political and economic consequences are beginning to erode popular support of his presidency. He also knows that at this point Ukraine is not prepared to cede the occupied territories or is the West prepared to ease sanctions. The Russian price for peace will be unacceptable to Kyiv and unpalatable to most NATO members. He will use that domestically to justify escalating the war. Putin as much as said so last week when he met with Modi and stated that Ukrainians do not want a diplomatic solution but rather a military solution. Once more he is setting the stage to blame Ukraine and the West for his war and its consequences inside Russia and beyond.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
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                        #850

                        Interesting essay.

                        Going Nuclear:

                        https://samf.substack.com/p/going-nuclear?r=17wfy3&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #851

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-issues-direct-warning-to-russia-as-erdogan-orders-putin-to-return-occupied-land/ar-AA121SXi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e6ecec1d0fc94fd6b003c07ed0a2af0d

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-issues-direct-warning-to-russia-as-erdogan-orders-putin-to-return-occupied-land/ar-AA121SXi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e6ecec1d0fc94fd6b003c07ed0a2af0d

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #852

                            @Mik

                            I saw that earlier today. The problem with Erdogan’s Turkey is that it is all over the place. Today it warns Russia, last week it was indicating Putin is ready to negotiate, the week before that it was warning its NATO partners to stop provoking Russia. Before that it was threatening the US over conditions on the sale F-16 fighters. Last spring it was blocking the entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO.

                            On the other hand it brokered the deal enable Ukraine to export its grain to the Middle East and Africa.

                            Seems to be something of a rogue or maverick NATO ally at best.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #853

                              Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

                              https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #854

                                Good piece, indeed. Seems that Putin hasn't reached the "It's not worth it" phase yet.

                                Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the partial mobilization of his country’s military Wednesday, calling up reservists in a significant escalation of his war in Ukraine after battlefield setbacks left the Kremlin facing growing pressure to act.

                                In a rare national address, the Russian leader also backed plans for Russia to annex occupied areas of southern and eastern Ukraine, appearing to threaten nuclear retaliation if Kyiv continues its efforts to reclaim that land.

                                It came just a day after after four Russian-controlled areas announced they would stage votes this week on breaking away from Ukraine and joining Russia, in a plan Kyiv and its Western allies dismissed as a desperate “sham” aimed at deterring a successful counteroffensive by Ukrainian troops.

                                Vowing that Russia would use all the means at its disposal to protect what it considers its territory, Putin accused the West of nuclear blackmail and warned: “This is not a bluff.”

                                Speaking after Putin, defense minister Sergei Shoigu said an initial 300,000 reservists would be called up.

                                Only those with relevant combat and service experience will be mobilized, Shoigu said. Another clause in the decree, which came into effect immediately, prevents most professional soldiers from terminating their contracts and leaving service until the partial mobilization is no longer in place.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #855

                                  Maybe mobilisation, maybe not. Chaos.

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chaos-as-putin-cancels-big-speech-set-to-announce-escalation-of-ukraine-war/ar-AA123zcf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d277e2c1d2c8428380d53f3b99ffdc92

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

                                    https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

                                    MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #856

                                    @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

                                    https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

                                    Excellent piece.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #857

                                      A thread on mobilization:

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Great piece on the overall political situation by Matt Yglesias.

                                        https://www.slowboring.com/p/russias-military-and-economic-strategy?utm_source=email

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #858

                                        @jon-nyc

                                        Author raises good points particularly how on sanctions render Russia’s cash reserves meaningless and how the Kremlin’s policy has of turning off the gas will ultimately be Putin’s undoing.

                                        Stack Iglesia’s essay with the following and I think a fairly accurate picture of what’s going on inside Russia can be made:

                                        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/20/kharkiv-retreat-what-will-military-losses-mean-for-russias-domestic-politics-a78838

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                          #859

                                          That’s a great essay and definitely complements the Yglesias piece. thanks for posting it.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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