The Ukraine war thread
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Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:05 last edited by@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
"Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."
wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited byFrom the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.
"Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."
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Russian hypersonic missile attacks..Russia? According to this Russia has used four hypers. Three hit Ukraine, but this one his Russia.
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wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 02:33 last edited by
Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.
Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this
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Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.
Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 03:34 last edited by RenaudaPutin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.
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Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.
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China.
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@Renauda
Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody? -
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.
"Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 15:26 last edited by Catseye3From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 16 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.
"The Ukrainian General Staff published images on September 16 showing a mass burial site in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast and noting that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the site contained more than 400 bodies showing signs of torture and brutality.
"The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that the number of war crimes victims in Izyum may exceed those of Bucha. The head of Ukraine’s National Police, Ihor Klymenko, stated that Ukrainian officials have found 10 Russian torture chambers in Vovchansk, Kupyansk, Balaklia, and Izyum. One torture chamber was reportedly located in the Balakliya police department, where “Russians wore masks and tortured civilians with bare electric wires,” according to Andriy Nebytov, the head of the National Police Main Directorate in the Kyiv region."
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Meanwhile shooting starts/resumed between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Putin calls for peace.
Riiiight, Vlad.
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An exit ramp approaching? Or maybe just not wanting to be combative.
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An exit ramp approaching? Or maybe just not wanting to be combative.
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 17:35 last edited by RenaudaI read Putin’s words as “I will stop when Ukraine surrenders all occupied territories gained to the Russian Federation and meets all terms and conditions Russia demands up to and including, unconditional surrender and the eventual dissolution of Ukraine as sovereign state and its incorporation as an “autonomous subject” into the Russian Federation”.
A non starter being that Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.
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I read Putin’s words as “I will stop when Ukraine surrenders all occupied territories gained to the Russian Federation and meets all terms and conditions Russia demands up to and including, unconditional surrender and the eventual dissolution of Ukraine as sovereign state and its incorporation as an “autonomous subject” into the Russian Federation”.
A non starter being that Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.
wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 17:41 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.
Do you think he really believes that, or is that the line he's feeding to the people?
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.
Do you think he really believes that, or is that the line he's feeding to the people?
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From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 16 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.
"The Ukrainian General Staff published images on September 16 showing a mass burial site in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast and noting that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the site contained more than 400 bodies showing signs of torture and brutality.
"The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that the number of war crimes victims in Izyum may exceed those of Bucha. The head of Ukraine’s National Police, Ihor Klymenko, stated that Ukrainian officials have found 10 Russian torture chambers in Vovchansk, Kupyansk, Balaklia, and Izyum. One torture chamber was reportedly located in the Balakliya police department, where “Russians wore masks and tortured civilians with bare electric wires,” according to Andriy Nebytov, the head of the National Police Main Directorate in the Kyiv region."
wrote on 18 Sept 2022, 14:33 last edited by@Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:
From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 17 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:
"Russian forces continue to conduct meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut instead of focusing on defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives that continue to advance.
"Russian troops continue to attack Bakhmut and various villages near Donetsk City of emotional significance to pro-war residents of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) but little other importance.
"The Russians are apparently directing some of the very limited reserves available in Ukraine to these efforts rather than to the vulnerable Russian defensive lines hastily thrown up along the Oskil River in eastern Kharkiv Oblast. The Russians cannot hope to make gains around Bakhmut or Donetsk City on a large enough scale to derail Ukrainian counteroffensives and appear to be continuing an almost robotic effort to gain ground in Donetsk Oblast that seems increasingly divorced from the overall realities of the theater."
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More activity across the border.
After a successful Ukrainian counteroffensive in the northeast of the country, the messy war that Russian President Vladimir Putin started is now being fought directly on his doorstep, with artillery strikes hitting military targets in Russia and Russian officials in cities and towns along the border ordering hasty evacuations.
On Saturday, a new round of strikes hit the Belgorod region in Western Russia, killing at least one person and wounding two.
On Friday, Ukraine reportedly struck the base of the Russian 3rd Motorized Rifle Division near Valuyki, just nine miles north of the Russia—Ukraine border. Russian officials did not acknowledge that a military target was hit but said one civilian died, and the local electrical grid experienced a temporary disruption.
Russia blamed the attacks on Ukraine, but Kyiv did not claim responsibility for striking targets in Russian territory.Kyiv has assured U.S. officials that donated weapons would not be used to strike targets inside Russia proper. But Ukrainian forces are now so close to the border that they can hit targets using their own less-advanced weaponry.
That Russian citizens are starting to seriously feel the impact of the war directly is another new source of pressure on Putin, who returned home this weekend from a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Uzbekistan where he faced a remarkable public rebuke by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and questions about the war from Chinese President Xi Jinping.Valuyki and Krasny Khutor are among dozens of small settlements in Russia that the Russian military uses as a staging ground, putting them in the middle of Moscow’s faltering invasion and Kyiv’s mounting counteroffensive.
The local governor, Vyacheslav Gladkov, has ordered the evacuation of hundreds of people and shut down schools in border towns over the past months. But now the authorities in Belgorod are under increasing pressure from unnerved residents who are experiencing what many Ukrainians have lived with for months: nighttime explosions, destroyed homes and sometimes casualties.
“I’m asking once again, where is our army, the one that must be protecting us?” Belgorod resident Tatyana Bogacheva wrote on Gladkov’s VKontakte social media page. “We are on the border; they are shooting at us, so we need an army and protection. Who will wake up the President?”